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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 17 July 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Lorna Slater

The common frameworks exist as published documents about how we are supposed to work together, but because they have not been followed, it is not clear to me how we move forward. As we have said many times in the chamber and as we have published online, the Scottish Government followed the common framework process all the way through, but that did not result in the exclusion from the internal market act that we needed in order to launch our scheme.

It is not clear to me how we move forward, if that common frameworks process can be disregarded without proportionate analysis and impact assessment by the UK Government at a very late stage, after years of working together. It is unclear to me how we progress, but I will discuss the matter with Minister Pow tomorrow and I also intend to raise it at our intergovernmental meeting in September, to understand how the UK Government intends to work with us going forward, if it does not intend to adhere to those common frameworks.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Lorna Slater

I know Julie James very well. We meet monthly and have met on other occasions as well. I know that Julie would like glass to be included in the scheme. That is the ambition for Wales, as it is for Scotland. My understanding is that the 2020 act will also be a problem for Wales, but the problem has not come to the fore yet because Wales has not passed its regulations. Wales might be forced to pass regulations that are different from those that it would like to pass or, if it were to pass regulations that include glass, it might be forced by the 2020 act—as we are—to revisit that before the scheme’s launch date. Of course, none of us knows what the political situation might be by 2025.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Lorna Slater

When an—

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Lorna Slater

I do not recognise the term “liability”. We have had substantial investment in the scheme—

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Lorna Slater

In planning the process and looking at our options after last week’s disruption, I considered the option of working within the given parliamentary days. It is the smoothest process for ensuring that scrutiny happens and that things do not hit the cut-off within the given parliamentary days.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Lorna Slater

I ask Ailsa Heine to review the process again.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Lorna Slater

Yes. I hope to be able to do that before recess—that is my intention. There is a requirement for the statutory instrument that the committee is considering to pass through Parliament before I can lay that one. I am not the Minister for Parliamentary Business and I am not in charge of the timetable, but that is the intention.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Lorna Slater

I am happy to get back with that detail.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Lorna Slater

The requirement would have been to remove the regulations that were laid on 17 May. The changes to the scheme to move it to October were announced last week. We would have had to withdraw those regulations, change them and bring them back. That would have been done through an expedited process, which would allow less scrutiny and, would, potentially, run up against that recess break. I agree that doing it this way is frustrating to all of us, but it means that the committee has had the normal amount of time to scrutinise those amendments and we avoid the cliff-edge problem of what happens over the summer. It is absolutely my intention to lay—as the convener suggests—amending regulations for October 2025 before recess, but those cannot be laid until this SSI has passed.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Lorna Slater

We could have withdrawn the SSI and modified it, but the timeline for scrutiny would have been very much compressed and we felt that it was important for the committee to be able to scrutinise the regulations.