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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 30 April 2025
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SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 20 March 2025

Lorna Slater

No, I do not want to drag us down a rabbit hole.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 20 March 2025

Lorna Slater

I have a follow-up question on trust. It is my impression from the media and so on that trust in Governments and institutions is at an all-time low. We have heard from other witnesses that independence is the key thing for trust—everybody says, “It has to be independent.” I have two questions on that. Being SPCB supported is one way in which bodies can be independent, but is it the best way? Are there other ways to be independent?

Also, is it true that independence is the route to trust? Dr Lamont seemed to suggest that effectiveness is a better route to trust. I am interested in people’s thoughts on that.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 20 March 2025

Lorna Slater

I am talking about gaining a proper understanding of the landscape here, because we are all worried about gaps and a system that is not working well. What kind of resource would that take?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 20 March 2025

Lorna Slater

I have a supplementary question, although I am interested in the points about the separation by advocacy and integrity, so I will come back to that later.

I want to follow up on something that Dr Lamont said, although everyone alluded to this. One challenge that we have in the advocacy space is that a new advocacy body represents a failure of existing bodies, and it is not clear that a new body will succeed where all the others have not.

Really, the success or otherwise of an advocacy body, whether it is a commissioner or something else, is to do with its level of influence and how well the Government listens to it. Another challenge that I would raise with, for example, the proposal for a future generations commissioner—whose purpose I of course support—is about what would make the Government listen to such a commissioner when it does not listen to any of the environmental non-governmental organisations or politicians who speak on those topics.

Would creating a commissioner solve either of those problems? Is there evidence that a commissioner would have more influence?

09:45  

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Employment Rights Bill

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Lorna Slater

Thank you. That would be much appreciated.

My other question is a more general one. Is the minister content that the bill will not impinge on Scotland’s ability to diverge in policies covering devolved areas?

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Employment Rights Bill

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Lorna Slater

I have two questions. The first one is a bit technical and is to help my understanding. One of the bill’s provisions expands employers’ duties to prevent the harassment of staff. I would like to better understand what those duties are, specifically in relation to MSPs, as employers, and our staff being exposed to social media. My staff look after my social media, which exposes them to some unpleasantness. What duties does the bill confer on us, as employers, to protect our staff in such situations?

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

New Deal for Business

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Lorna Slater

I guess that it is about the implementation and understanding. As you say, we use terms such as “circular economy”, but I am not sure that the average person knows what that means or understands how to be nature positive and what that means for businesses. I am interested in understanding how much it is part of the relationship with businesses to make sure that they understand the concepts that Government talks about and what they mean for businesses on the ground.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

New Deal for Business

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Lorna Slater

My other question is somewhat related to that. We have also taken evidence from representatives of alternative business models such as co-operative social enterprises and other democratic business models, and they felt that they were not part of the new deal for business. They have had increased engagement recently because of the inclusive and democratic business models report, which they are very grateful for. However, the committee is interested in how we mainstream them. How do we make sure that those alternative business models are included in the new deal for business and also, going forward, in the thinking of Scottish Enterprise and Business Gateway so that we mainstream them, given how important they are to the wellbeing economy?

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Employment Rights Bill

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Lorna Slater

Thank you.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

New Deal for Business

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Lorna Slater

I appreciate that, looking forward, there will be an opportunity to incorporate and help to mainstream those businesses.

I want to pick up on a point that you made, Dr Malik. There seems to be an idea in many people’s minds that moving to net zero is costly and challenging. You mentioned that as well. However, the circular economy is about helping with businesses’ bottom lines by reducing the waste of energy and of materials. Businesses might make the choice to fly less to conferences, for example, which will save them money. Is any work being done with businesses on how they can improve and make more money while reducing their waste and working on their route to net zero? If people think that it will always cost them more money when, in fact, doing less will be the answer in many cases, that narrative will be a barrier.