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Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 13 March 2024
Sue Webber
Good morning, and welcome to the ninth meeting of the Education, Children and Young People Committee in 2024. Our first item of business is consideration of the additional support for learning inquiry. This is the fourth formal session on the inquiry, which will consider how the Education (Additional Support for Learning) (Scotland) Act 2004 has been implemented and how it is working in practice, 20 years on from being enacted.
We will hear from two panels of witnesses. We will focus on three themes throughout the inquiry: the implementation of the presumption of mainstreaming, the impact of Covid-19 on additional support for learning and the use of remedies as set out in the act. Today, we will focus mainly on the first and third themes, but I am sure that we will touch on the second theme as well.
On the first panel, I welcome Megan Farr, policy officer for the Children and Young People’s Commissioner Scotland; David Mackay, head of policy, projects and participation for Children in Scotland; Marie Harrison, senior policy officer for My Rights, My Say, Children in Scotland; and Chloe Minto, senior solicitor from Govan Law Centre. Thank you for coming, and thank you for the written submissions that you provided ahead of the meeting.
I will move straight to questions from members.
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 13 March 2024
Sue Webber
The conversations will be extensive throughout the day, so I can assure you that some of the threads will be picked up later on.
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 13 March 2024
Sue Webber
We have spoken a little about the presumption of mainstreaming. In that context, I am trying to figure out, and I have some questions about the role of specialist school settings in our system. We heard from Matthew Cavanagh of the Scottish Secondary Teachers Association that teachers in such settings have a real opportunity and a
“greater ability to meet the needs of individual pupils, whom they know better.”—[Official Report, Education, Children and Young People Committee, 21 February 2024; c 6.]
In your view, what role might those specialist settings play in the presumption of mainstreaming? What are the criteria for when a specialist setting is appropriate, and are those criteria understood and consistently applied? Perhaps Marie Harrison would like to come in first, as she caught my eye.
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 13 March 2024
Sue Webber
We will have questions about buildings later on, so I am straying into other areas.
09:30Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 13 March 2024
Sue Webber
I am trying to drill down into that to find out whether there are specific criteria. I know that it sounds a bit brutal to talk about our young people in that way, but what are the criteria for when a specialist setting is appropriate?
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 13 March 2024
Sue Webber
The conflict between corporate parent and employer is what Ruth Maguire’s question was about.
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 13 March 2024
Sue Webber
I invite Ross Greer to ask his questions.
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 13 March 2024
Sue Webber
She is okay—Megan Farr has just made her point, and she was just reinforcing that.
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 13 March 2024
Sue Webber
I will bring in Liam Kerr on the final theme, and I know that he will pick up on that issue.
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 13 March 2024
Sue Webber
I think that this will make sense. [Laughter.]