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Health, Social Care and Sport Committee
Meeting date: 24 May 2022
Sue Webber
That is okay—it was a long question.
Health, Social Care and Sport Committee
Meeting date: 24 May 2022
Sue Webber
Claire Stevens, we spoke yesterday in the informal evidence session and I was interested in your comments on proportionate universalism and about Gerry McCartney’s colleague, who is a GP in a deep-end practice, in relation to how we can do some more targeted approaches, and how you think that it might help us to really drill down and take those targeted approaches rather than having a universal approach. I think that one of the comments yesterday was that those who are best able to advocate for themselves get an unfair share of resources. I am interested in your thoughts on that.
Health, Social Care and Sport Committee
Meeting date: 24 May 2022
Sue Webber
I was trying to say that the other parts of the United Kingdom have faced the same political policies, such as austerity, but they are not seeing the same regression. We are trying to drill down to tackle inequalities. We heard yesterday that we have wonderful policies, but I do not get the sense that those are getting under the skin of the issue, getting down to the ground for implementation and making the differences that we need.
Meeting of the Parliament (Hybrid)
Meeting date: 24 May 2022
Sue Webber
Will the member take an intervention?
Meeting of the Parliament (Hybrid)
Meeting date: 24 May 2022
Sue Webber
On a point of order, Presiding Officer. My app was not working. I would have voted yes.
Meeting of the Parliament (Hybrid)
Meeting date: 24 May 2022
Sue Webber
I welcome the chance to close the debate on behalf of the Scottish Conservatives. I, too, pass on my thanks to everyone who delivers health and social care in our country right now and to those who will do so for the foreseeable future.
As we have heard from my colleagues during the debate, the SNP urgently needs to address the social care crisis that has occurred on its watch. Now is not the time to centralise care services, as it is planning to do. Instead of pressing ahead with a bureaucratic overhaul of services, the SNP must engage with carers and those who need support to ensure that the highest level of care is delivered.
Meeting of the Parliament (Hybrid)
Meeting date: 24 May 2022
Sue Webber
We have heard a lot about the inequity of services across the country. However, it does not need a national care service to deliver much more equal provision, as will be brought out in the point that I am about to make.
We have good policies in Scotland, and we cannot argue that the will is not there. However, we are consistently referring people into services ineffectively.?We have people ricocheting around our services because nothing quite fits or meets their needs.?There is no use in having good intentions, policy document after policy document and paper after paper if they are not being put into action. Our approach is fragmented and therefore causes distress to people who are in the most dire need.?Having access to services is, indeed, key but, as Jeremy Balfour stated, we often lose sight of the person who so desperately needs our assistance and support. We need equitable services, working across all the sectors.
As I have just stated, though, we currently have inequity in service provision, which only widens the inequalities that we face. Social care is patchy and broken. Right now, and in recent history, integration authorities have had only one priority: they have been focused on budgets, not people. All the resource and focus has been on reducing the burden of care, reducing the amount of care that is provided and delivered, and delivering efficiencies and cost-saving plans. People have come second.
Reform is needed, but a national care service is not the answer. That is why the Scottish Conservatives have proposed a local care service, which would ensure that support was delivered as close as possible to those who needed it—especially those in rural and island communities.
COSLA said that the plans for the national care service are “an attack on localism”, and it added:
“Councils know their communities and all the evidence suggests that local democratic decision making works.”
Audit Scotland has shared its concerns about the extent of the SNP Government’s plans for reform and the time that it will take to implement them. It is not clear what the costs of the national care service might be. The Fraser of Allander Institute has stated that, until we know the final shape of the national care service, we cannot say much about the funding settlement that will be required.
If we are truly determined to tackle health inequalities, we must surely recognise and celebrate the fact that every community has different needs. We need community services. We hear, time and time again, about person-centred care, but all the evidence that I hear, time and time again, is that people have to adapt to and accept what is available from the service and not the other way around.
One of my constituents was a carer for her husband, but then she suffered a stroke. Both were assessed as requiring a home care package, but limited availability meant that a package was put in place for the wife that allowed only for assistance with dressing and meals; it did not provide enough for a daily shower or for assistance for her husband. After an intervention, her care package was extended to allow for a daily shower, and a package was added to allow time to assist her husband. However, it took an heroic effort by my staff to achieve that.
Another constituent of mine has suffered the consequences of not keeping care close to home. For her over-70s breast screening, Margaret had to travel to Newcastle, where, following the test and follow-up appointments in the Royal Victoria infirmary, she was diagnosed with breast cancer. How many women over 70 have undiagnosed breast cancer? Margaret would have been one of them if she had not travelled to Newcastle. The SNP Scottish Government’s approach does little to suggest that it is really doing all that it can right now to improve outcomes.
We are not short of examples of the SNP failing to keep care close to home. The SNP has had to be brought kicking and screaming to the realisation that eye care in the Lothian region should be local; the SNP wanted patients to travel to Glasgow. Although the commitment to the new eye pavilion was a welcome U-turn, no real progress has been made since the SNP’s pre-election pledge in 2021, and NHS Lothian is facing a huge and crippling bill to maintain the existing building.
The SNP urgently needs to address the social care crisis that has developed on its watch. Heroic staff continue to be overwhelmed, having gone above and beyond during and after the pandemic. They have not been given the leadership that they need from the SNP Government.
I will speak about some of what we have heard from members during the debate. Dr Gulhane referred to the toxic cocktail of delays and delayed discharge that is contributing to the hampering of a recovery of services. Ms Boyack mentioned that the SNP motion does not acknowledge the scale of delayed discharges that is faced in Edinburgh and the Lothian region. Those issues all existed before the pandemic. I know that, because I was a member of the Edinburgh integration joint board.
I support the motion that was lodged by my colleague Sandesh Gulhane.
16:53Meeting of the Parliament (Hybrid)
Meeting date: 19 May 2022
Sue Webber
Tragically, two overworked Glasgow medics who worked in our NHS took their own lives last year. This week, the chair of the British Medical Association’s Scottish junior doctors committee warned that overstretched medics will be killed due to the extreme pressures and workloads that NHS staff are having to cope with.
I have two questions for the First Minister. First, does she recognise that current ways of working are risking lives? Secondly, when can we expect the Scottish Government to finally implement the safe staffing legislation—the Health and Care (Staffing) (Scotland) Act 2019—that was passed unanimously by the Parliament three years ago?
Meeting of the Parliament (Hybrid)
Meeting date: 19 May 2022
Sue Webber
I believe that the Government is spending £2.5 million on research, so there is a long way to go before we have parity with the rest of the UK when it comes to research or investment in long Covid services.
In June last year, we published a policy paper on long Covid, which raised awareness of the extent and impact of the disease and what we should be doing to tackle it. We want the SNP Government to recognise the disease and to give patients the treatment that they deserve. It should publish a clear long Covid strategy, create a specific long Covid care fund and work with health services and research institutions across the UK to find out more about the disease. It should write more than just the chapters that the cabinet secretary mentioned earlier. The Government also needs to invest in a network of specialist clinics and to adopt an app-based treatment service.
As my colleague Craig Hoy said, people with long Covid who live in Scotland are 20 per cent more likely to be severely affected by the disease in their day-to-day lives than people with the condition who live elsewhere in the UK.
In England, the NHS operates 90 specialist long Covid clinics; in Scotland, there is none. The SNP Government’s inaction is having a real impact on people who are affected by long Covid. When the SNP Government’s long Covid paper was published, the ONS estimated that 79,000 people in Scotland were suffering from long Covid. Now, that figure is 151,000 people. Six months of dither and delay have meant that 72,000 people have not been able to access the support that they were promised in September. That is why we need a network of specialist long Covid clinics.
If there was a “will”, rather than a “may”, in the cabinet secretary’s motion, then there would be a way for us to support the Scottish Government’s motion. Unfortunately, we cannot.
Meeting of the Parliament (Hybrid)
Meeting date: 19 May 2022
Sue Webber
I cannot understand what is going on in the head of our cabinet secretary. Surely an appropriate level of funding ought to be provided to support the development of a solution to present to the people of Scotland.