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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 17 July 2025
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Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Ethical Standards Commissioner

Meeting date: 16 January 2025

Sue Webber

You mentioned that a large number of the complaints relate to local authority issues. It will not be surprising that I might want to ask you about what is going on in Edinburgh, given that the council leader just resigned. As has been covered in The Herald, it has come to light that complaints were made as far back as 2018. I understand that that predates your appointment as the commissioner, but there is an allegation that the Ethical Standards Commissioner dismissed a complaint in September 2020. If something is of public interest, as appears to be the case now, and a lot of stones are being turned over, is it possible for you to go back to review what might have happened at that point and to reopen inquiries into complaints?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Ethical Standards Commissioner

Meeting date: 16 January 2025

Sue Webber

There was a lot of concern, shall I say, around one appointment, which was quite public and made quite a noise in here. That was the appointment of the Scottish land commissioner.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Ethical Standards Commissioner

Meeting date: 16 January 2025

Sue Webber

It is just that there are 100 public bodies and 770 posts.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Ethical Standards Commissioner

Meeting date: 16 January 2025

Sue Webber

Going back to diversity, you spoke about ensuring that we have the best people for roles. How do you square that circle when you have targets? How do you come up with the target percentages for each of the groups, which are noted in our papers? What role does the new organisation Leading Kind have in navigating what can be challenging decision making, given all the factors that link to that? That is quite vague, but you will know what I am trying to ask.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Cross-Party Group

Meeting date: 16 January 2025

Sue Webber

I will pick up that thread. You said that you want to establish the group’s viability and do some work on that at this time. However, as you said, we do not have much time left before the next elections, and standing orders state that March is a line in the sand beyond which no new CPGs can be established. Realistically, what can you expect to achieve in the time that is left, given the obligations in relation to formal meetings and those sorts of activities?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Cross-Party Group

Meeting date: 16 January 2025

Sue Webber

No.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Ethical Standards Commissioner

Meeting date: 16 January 2025

Sue Webber

There was concern about the impartiality of that public appointment. What actions did you, your office and your team take to address that?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Ethical Standards Commissioner

Meeting date: 16 January 2025

Sue Webber

I will come on to the diversity thread. You spoke earlier about the commissioner landscape and the evidence that you gave to the Finance and Public Administration Committee. Have you a view on the number of public appointees in Scotland in general? Is there a mechanism for you to ensure that there is no duplication in those public functions? Have you a role in that?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Ethical Standards Commissioner

Meeting date: 16 January 2025

Sue Webber

No, that is fine—it actually helped me, to be fair.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Cross-Party Group

Meeting date: 16 January 2025

Sue Webber

I would like to make it more formal.