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Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 22 May 2025
Sue Webber
That is a warning for us, then.
Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 22 May 2025
Sue Webber
Is even considering taking the next person on the list perhaps a bit of a lazy way to find a solution? Lazy might not be the right word; it is the easiest way.
Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 22 May 2025
Sue Webber
Yes, and public perception is a big issue.
Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 22 May 2025
Sue Webber
I know that we have covered a bit of this in some of the discussion already. You have spoken about how the recall process works in other countries. The bill that Graham Simpson is introducing broadly seeks to replicate the principles and design of the Recall of MPs Act 2015. Does the experience to date of how that act has worked in practice suggest that it is a good approach? Dr Stanford, you said that there had been only four by-elections and six petitions. I will come straight to you, if that is okay.
Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 22 May 2025
Sue Webber
That is okay—I get that.
Dr Stanford, you said in your written submission that triggering the recall process could be
“open to abuse by what can be considered a ‘good reason’ for an absence. Such a move would need considerable safeguards to protect against highly concentrated pressure groups with vested interests”.
We all feel that on a regular basis; it seems to be how the world is working right now.
Dr Clark has already said a wee bit about the thresholds, but are the proposed criteria for triggering the recall process appropriate? Should other criteria be set to balance it all out?
I put that to you first, Dr Stanford.
Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 22 May 2025
Sue Webber
I like the term “casual vacancies”—I am enjoying that.
Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 22 May 2025
Sue Webber
We will come to questions on vacancies. Annabel Mullin, do you want to come in? I cannot remember what my original question was.
Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 22 May 2025
Sue Webber
As our evidence has shown, we are all aware that we have to accept that there is quite a difference in how we are elected as regional and constituency MSPs and, therefore, accept that how we progress in those circumstances will also be different.
The committee has received a lot of evidence that the cost of running the recall process for a regional MSP could be about £2.5 million. Is that cost justifiable, based on the additional accountability that the recall process is intended to deliver? What is the cost benefit analysis? You have already mentioned that there are seven other elected representatives for those individuals. I will come to you first, Juliet, because I have caught your eye.
Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 22 May 2025
Sue Webber
I think that it is for the recall process—
Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 22 May 2025
Sue Webber
Yes, it is for both.