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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 9 June 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 2 October 2024

Sue Webber

That is super. I thank everyone on the panel for their evidence.

I suspend the meeting for 20 minutes to allow our present witnesses to leave and those on our second panel to come in.

10:25 Meeting suspended.  

10:44 On resuming—  

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 2 October 2024

Sue Webber

I welcome our second set of witnesses. Ken McAra is an HM inspector of education and the convener of the FDA union’s Education Scotland section. Sharon McGuigan is an SQA accreditation manager and a workplace representative from Unite the union. Pauline Rodger is an SQA understanding standards project manager and a workplace representative—she is also from Unite. Thank you all for joining us.

As with our first panel of witnesses, we will go straight to questions from members. Willie Rennie will kick us off.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 2 October 2024

Sue Webber

Again, we will be digging into the detail and specifics around those things. Do you have anything else to add?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 2 October 2024

Sue Webber

Great. As I said, we will pick up on a lot of those things as we go forward. Garvin—over to you now.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 2 October 2024

Sue Webber

He will.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 2 October 2024

Sue Webber

That is what we need to ask.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 2 October 2024

Sue Webber

No, I am asking whether there is anything preventing the staff representative on the board from doing that engagement right now, under the current legislation, or is it the individual who is not doing it?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 2 October 2024

Sue Webber

I note that we were expecting another representative of the FDA today.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 2 October 2024

Sue Webber

That would be helpful, thank you.

I want to ask about how effective the inspectorate has been in providing system-level feedback to ministers on the inspections. Do you consider that the bill provides sufficient independence to allow the future inspectorate to fulfil its role effectively? There have been discussions about whether the inspectorate should report to ministers or to Parliament and so on.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Education (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 2 October 2024

Sue Webber

I asked about how effective the inspectorate has been—what is going on right now—in providing that system-level feedback to the ministers.