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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 15 June 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny: Early Learning and Childcare

Meeting date: 26 October 2022

Sue Webber

I will bring in Wendy Brownlie, in the interests of saving Carrie Lindsay from answering first again.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny: Early Learning and Childcare

Meeting date: 26 October 2022

Sue Webber

Margot Black is having connection issues, so I am not sure whether she is still with us. If she is and wants to respond, she can do so.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny: Early Learning and Childcare

Meeting date: 26 October 2022

Sue Webber

Might there not be a perception in the PVI sector that there is a conflict when the local authority is the funder, partner and inspector and it then perhaps makes a nursery close down because it is not able to deliver to a particular standard? Do you not see that there is a conflict when you are poacher turned gamekeeper? Perhaps some of the other witnesses will want to comment on that, too, but we certainly hear that from the PVI sector.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny: Early Learning and Childcare

Meeting date: 26 October 2022

Sue Webber

Thank you. Everyone will recall that there was a bit of confusion earlier, but we have a bit more time for this agenda item. Margot, you indicated that you wanted to respond to a question on deferrals. Will you do that now, if you can recall that far back? That would be super.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny: Early Learning and Childcare

Meeting date: 26 October 2022

Sue Webber

Thank you, Mr Kerr. Stephanie Callaghan has a follow-up question on modern apprenticeships.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny: Early Learning and Childcare

Meeting date: 26 October 2022

Sue Webber

That is super. Thank you.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny: Early Learning and Childcare

Meeting date: 26 October 2022

Sue Webber

I thank all the witnesses for their time and the evidence that they have shared with us. I apologise for some of the hybrid meeting hiccups—we have kind of forgotten how to do it.

We will have a short suspension, and I will reconvene the meeting in 10 minutes’ time.

11:21 Meeting suspended.  

11:32 On resuming—  

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Petitions

Meeting date: 26 October 2022

Sue Webber

On-going monitoring.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Petitions

Meeting date: 26 October 2022

Sue Webber

The next petition on our agenda is PE1692, which was lodged by Lesley Scott and Alison Preuss on behalf of Tymes Trust and the Scottish Home Education Forum. The petition calls on the Scottish Government to initiate an independent public inquiry into the impact on human rights of the routine gathering and sharing of citizens’ personal information, on which its getting it right for every child—GIRFEC—policy relies.

The committee previously considered the petition in May. The committee heard that, in January 2020, the Deputy First Minister and then Cabinet Secretary for Education and Skills had said that guidance and material to support information-sharing practice were being developed. In May, the committee agreed to write to the current Cabinet Secretary for Education and Skills to seek an update on timescales for the publication of that guidance.

The cabinet secretary confirmed that refreshed material has been published and explained that the refreshed material, including the statutory guidance for the assessment of wellbeing, were co-produced by working groups including practitioners from relevant sectors, that the statutory guidance on the assessment of wellbeing was subject to a public consultation, and that the remaining documents, including on the role of the named person and information sharing, were subject to direct engagement with key stakeholders.

In the petitioners’ submission, they argued that the cabinet secretary’s submission is irrelevant to the purpose of the petition. That is because the petition calls for a retrospective and independent public inquiry into the impact on human rights of the routine gathering and sharing of citizens’ personal information in relation to the GIRFEC policy and is not about addressing

“possible future harm through any ‘refreshed material’.”

Do members have any comments?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny: Early Learning and Childcare

Meeting date: 26 October 2022

Sue Webber

Wendy Brownlie, are you able to respond now?