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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 26 August 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 3 May 2023

Sue Webber

We now move on to questions regarding transport, from my colleague Ross Greer.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 3 May 2023

Sue Webber

Mr Kerr, can I come in? We heard a lot of evidence about the concerns. Minister, you have spoken about the long-term aspirations and the cost savings to society from the settlement. What we are saying is that, right now, there is no mechanism to transfer the savings from the justice system into local government, children and families and social work. What is the Government going to do to address that imbalance?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 3 May 2023

Sue Webber

Pam Duncan-Glancy did not quite get the answer to her second question, which was on funding. Maybe colleagues can pick that up in asking about the financial aspects.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 3 May 2023

Sue Webber

The committee heard from Social Work Scotland that it is “almost inconceivable” that police custody will not have to be used for under-18s—this is the important line—

“for a number of years to come.”—[Official Report, Education, Children and Young People Committee, 26 April 2023; c 39.]

How would you respond to that point? Will local authorities be expected to use secure care as an alternative to custody? If so, what are the cost implications of that?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 3 May 2023

Sue Webber

If I may come back to you, Ms Nolan, does that mean that we can foresee that police custody will be used for under-18s for a number of years to come?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 3 May 2023

Sue Webber

There is a lot in there, minister, so do your best to unpick that question.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 3 May 2023

Sue Webber

We will now go back to questions from Bob Doris.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 3 May 2023

Sue Webber

Okay—convenient.

The committee also heard from Social Work Scotland that the bill has the “right aspirations and goals” but, due to resource issues impacting social work, there is

“a lack of confidence about our ability to deliver.”—[Official Report, Education, Children and Young People Committee, 26 April 2023; c 19.]

That is on the same theme as the questioning from Mr Kerr. How will the Scottish Government support local authorities and their social work teams to implement the bill effectively?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 3 May 2023

Sue Webber

Okay—over to you Mr Rooney.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 3 May 2023

Sue Webber

Obviously, there has been quite a lot of press coverage and public outcry on issues around the sentencing guidelines for people of that age. Do you have any comments on that?