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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 18 June 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 18 January 2023

Sue Webber

There is a lot in there, cabinet secretary.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 18 January 2023

Sue Webber

I will move us on, as I am conscious that we have a big topic to come. However, I will allow a very brief supplementary from Stephen Kerr before I move to Natalie Don, who is waiting patiently.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 18 January 2023

Sue Webber

Thank you, Stephen.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 18 January 2023

Sue Webber

Given the question that Mr Kerr asked, we will pause consideration of the order and come back to it at another meeting. We will seek clarification on that question.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 18 January 2023

Sue Webber

Thank you. We will come back to the Education (Fees and Student Support) (Miscellaneous Amendment) (Scotland) Regulations 2022 at a later date.

The public part of today’s meeting is now at an end. We will consider our final item in private.

11:43 Meeting continued in private until 12:07.  

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 18 January 2023

Sue Webber

I get a sense that local authorities are quite top heavy and that money is not being transferred to those on the front line such as early learning practitioners.

Those are important issues, but many of the things that you mentioned are overheads and costs that businesses also face. Would it not be best to send the money directly to parents so that they can take the funding for their child to the provider of their choice?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 18 January 2023

Sue Webber

Good morning, and welcome to the second meeting in 2023 of the Education, Children and Young People Committee. We have received apologies from Stephanie Callaghan. I welcome Natalie Don, who is attending the meeting in her place.

The first item on our agenda is an evidence session as part of our scrutiny of the 2023-24 budget. I welcome Shirley-Anne Somerville, the Cabinet Secretary for Education and Skills, and Clare Haughey, the Minister for Children and Young People. They are accompanied by the Scottish Government officials Stephen Pathirana, director of lifelong learning and skills; Sam Anson, deputy director, workforce, infrastructure and digital; and Eleanor Passmore, deputy director, early learning and childcare. Thank you all for joining us.

We will begin with a short opening statement from the cabinet secretary. Cabinet secretary, you have up to three minutes.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 18 January 2023

Sue Webber

Thank you for being so concise and on time—it is much appreciated.

In your opening statement, you alluded to the turbulent economic context that we face and the fact that the emergency budget review in August did not allow a full path to balance for the current year to be laid out. You emphasised that you have finite resources and that you are having to make difficult decisions. Most public bodies that fall under the education portfolio will receive a flat cash settlement. How will they be able to meet their additional costs in the coming year and cover the ambitions that the Scottish Government has set out for them? Is the Government giving advice on activities that it is not expecting from such bodies in 2023-24?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 18 January 2023

Sue Webber

We move to questions from Michael Marra.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 18 January 2023

Sue Webber

We have three requests to ask questions on the subject of reform, and I would like all members to be very concise with their questions.