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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 20 June 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 26 April 2023

Sue Webber

We move to questions from Bob Doris.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 26 April 2023

Sue Webber

I thank everyone for their time. We covered a lot of ground. I suspend the meeting to allow for a comfort break.

10:58 Meeting suspended.  

11:10 On resuming—  

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 26 April 2023

Sue Webber

Our next agenda item is consideration of our recent external visits to the young offenders institution at Polmont and to two secure units, as part of the committee’s scrutiny of the Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill. The bill proposes that 16 and 17-year-olds will no longer be held in young offenders institutions and that, should 16 and 17-year-olds need to be detained, that will generally be in secure accommodation. The bill will also provide for young people who are in secure accommodation to potentially remain there after they turn 18, although that will depend on the individual circumstances and would not apply beyond the age of 18.

Given the proposed changes, committee members visited YOI Polmont and the secure accommodation centres St Mary’s Kenmure and Rossie. The committee is very grateful to the governor of YOI Polmont, Gerry Michie, and to Jim Shields at St Mary’s Kenmure, and Mary Geaney—I am sorry if I got that name wrong; it was just Mary when we met—at Rossie, and their respective teams, for facilitating the visits. We are also grateful to all the staff whom we met for taking the time to speak with us, show us round their facilities and explain how they support young people in their care. I also thank the young people with whom we had the opportunity to speak.

I thank everyone for their time today. The public part of today’s meeting is now at an end and we will consider our final agenda items in private.

11:12 Meeting continued in private until 12:25.  

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Interests

Meeting date: 26 April 2023

Sue Webber

Thank you very much.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Deputy Convener

Meeting date: 26 April 2023

Sue Webber

Due to the changes in the committee’s membership, our next task is to choose our deputy convener. The Parliament has agreed that only members of the Scottish National Party are eligible for nomination as deputy convener of the committee, and I understand that Ben Macpherson is the Scottish National Party’s nominee.

Ben Macpherson was chosen as deputy convener.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 26 April 2023

Sue Webber

I did not think so.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 26 April 2023

Sue Webber

We have had discussions on that issue. Under the bill, it will be possible for a child convicted of a serious crime to be placed in secure accommodation with young people who will be there on welfare grounds and who are therefore particularly vulnerable. Is that a cause for concern? What steps might need to be taken to ensure that the rights and best interests of all children in secure accommodation are taken into account?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 26 April 2023

Sue Webber

Does Ben Farrugia or Stephen Bermingham want to comment on that, or has Jackie Irvine covered most of the ground?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 26 April 2023

Sue Webber

That will be a useful line of questioning later.

I will bring in my new deputy convener, Ben Macpherson.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 26 April 2023

Sue Webber

That, I hope, answers the question.