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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 21 June 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 26 April 2023

Sue Webber

Agenda item 3 is an evidence-taking session on the Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill. I welcome to the meeting our panel of witnesses: Ben Farrugia, director, Social Work Scotland; Councillor Tony Buchanan from East Renfrewshire Council, who is children and young people spokesperson for the Convention of Scottish Local Authorities; Jackie Irvine, chief executive, Care Inspectorate; Stephen Bermingham, head of practice and policy, Children’s Hearings Scotland; and Jenny Brotchie, regional manager for Scotland, Information Commissioner’s Office. I thank you all for coming.

As we have a lot of ground to cover, we will move straight to members’ questions and, breaking the habit of a lifetime, I will ask the first. The committee appreciates that the bill’s provisions relating to the definition of a child have been put forward as Scottish Government policy. Do you have any views on the bill’s proposed definition of a child arising from, say, your experience of dealing with children and young people? Is 18 appropriate?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 26 April 2023

Sue Webber

I am sure that we will get into that issue later in the discussion.

Pam Duncan-Glancy has further questions on this subject.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 26 April 2023

Sue Webber

We will have questions on that theme later. Pam, do you have any further questions?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 26 April 2023

Sue Webber

Thank you. We will move on to the next block of questions, which will be asked by my colleague Stephen Kerr.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 26 April 2023

Sue Webber

Bill Kidd has a supplementary question on this theme.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 26 April 2023

Sue Webber

I think that Ben Farrugia made the point about money earlier.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 26 April 2023

Sue Webber

Yes, he did.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 26 April 2023

Sue Webber

Ruth Maguire has a supplementary in this line of questioning.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 26 April 2023

Sue Webber

Stephanie Callaghan has a brief supplementary question on this issue, and then we will have questions from Ross Greer.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 26 April 2023

Sue Webber

Talking of transport and cross-border activities, we will move to questions on cross-border placements. We have heard that the funding model for secure care depends on centres running with at least 90 per cent occupancy—some of the words are a bit harsh, and I am not comfortable with saying them. The number that is required for that level of occupancy is generally more than the number of young people from Scotland who come into those centres, so many of the centres are reliant on young people from the south and other parts of the United Kingdom being placed in their care.

Do our witnesses have any views on cross-border placements? Are you aware of any differences in the fees that might be charged for Scottish young people and for those from elsewhere in the UK?

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