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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 17 January 2026
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 1 November 2023

Sue Webber

Good morning, and welcome to the 27th meeting in 2023 of the Education, Children and Young People Committee. We have received apologies from Ben Macpherson and Ross Greer.

The main item on our agenda is an evidence session with the Minister for Children, Young People and Keeping the Promise on the Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill, but the minister has been delayed. Are members content for us to consider agenda item 2 first?

Members indicated agreement.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 1 November 2023

Sue Webber

Under agenda item 2, we will consider the Nutritional Requirements for Food and Drink in Schools (Scotland) Amendment Regulations 2023, which are being considered under the negative procedure.

The regulations revoke a previous amendment that was made to the Nutritional Requirements for Food and Drink in Schools (Scotland) Regulations 2020 during the pandemic. The amendment allowed, as a temporary measure, education authorities or grant-aided schools to provide food or drink that did not comply with the 2020 regulations when they were unable to procure a product, given the supply issues at the time.

The regulations also correct a calculation formula in the nutritional requirements to ensure that the nutrient requirement for school meals is calculated as intended by the 2020 regulations.

As members have no comments to make on the subordinate legislation, does the committee agree that it does not wish to make any recommendations in relation to the instrument?

Members indicated agreement.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 1 November 2023

Sue Webber

I suspend the meeting while we wait for the minister to arrive.

09:32 Meeting suspended.  

09:53 On resuming—  

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 1 November 2023

Sue Webber

Thank you. The Scottish Government’s response to the committee’s stage 1 report said that it was considering sequencing the bill and related work such as the recommendations of the hearings system working group. Last week, the committee heard from Ben Farrugia, who said that many of the changes proposed by the bill would be more deliverable if the system proposed by the hearings system working group was in place beforehand. The committee also heard from the other members of the panel that a sequencing change would be vital for the success of the bill. What can the minister say about that sequencing change to reassure the stakeholders?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 1 November 2023

Sue Webber

That section is about legal aid, not the availability of lawyers. We are trying to find out whether that issue has been considered.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 1 November 2023

Sue Webber

Good morning, and welcome to the 27th meeting in 2023 of the Education, Children and Young People Committee.

I am sorry—I am getting confused. I am going back in my notes.

The second item on our agenda is an evidence session with the Minister for Children, Young People and Keeping the Promise on the Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill. Alongside the minister are Scottish Government officials, whom I ask to introduce themselves.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 1 November 2023

Sue Webber

I understand your comments, but we also have to remember our on-going secure care redesign project. Managing change is always a big issue and a concern to those who are working in the services. This is not about reducing the change; it is about two big changes happening at the same time. I am asking about the sequencing of that, not about putting stuff aside and it not happening. That is where my question lies in terms of that element.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 1 November 2023

Sue Webber

I understand that they are separate, but what I am saying is that the people on the ground are managing the two. If you have the changes coming in from the hearings working group, the secure care redesign and this bill, and then you are talking about a Promise bill, that is a lot of change and it could all be happening at the same time.

Surely, when we have a stretched workforce that is under pressure in terms of delivery and numbers, we should be doing everything that we can to consider the whole picture. We hear a lot about holistic change from this Government. Let us take the opportunity to do that now and make sure that we are not putting undue pressure on those who are delivering vital services.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 1 November 2023

Sue Webber

I call Liam Kerr.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 1 November 2023

Sue Webber

Pam Duncan-Glancy and Michelle Thomson have supplementary questions on the lack of protection for victims.