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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 7 June 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education Reform

Meeting date: 8 November 2023

Sue Webber

Exactly. Stephanie Callaghan, do you have any more questions?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education Reform

Meeting date: 8 November 2023

Sue Webber

Sorry—I asked for something a bit more succinct.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education Reform

Meeting date: 8 November 2023

Sue Webber

That is a wonderful segue to the line of questioning that Michelle Thomson will pursue.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education Reform

Meeting date: 8 November 2023

Sue Webber

Gordon Stobart has indicated that he wants to come in on that, as has Janet Brown.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education Reform

Meeting date: 8 November 2023

Sue Webber

Thank you very much. That is a great place to finish the morning—it is still the morning. I thank the witnesses for their time and contributions and for accepting our request for a little bit of an extension to their time here. That concludes the public part of our proceedings today.

11:48 Meeting continued in private until 12:23.  

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education Reform

Meeting date: 8 November 2023

Sue Webber

Good morning, and welcome to the 28th meeting in 2023 of the Education, Children and Young People Committee.

Agenda item 1 is an evidence-taking session with a panel of academics and experts in education policy to enable us to appreciate the progress that has been made to date on education reform, including the impact of recent reports and reviews on the ground. We are particularly interested in any progress that has been made with the implementation of the 2021 Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development report on Scotland’s curriculum for excellence.

I welcome Dr Janet Brown, convener of the education committee of the Royal Society of Edinburgh; Professor Gordon Stobart, emeritus professor of education at the Institute of Education, University College London; Professor Walter Humes, honorary professor in the faculty of social sciences at the University of Stirling; and, finally, Dr Marina Shapira, associate professor in sociology at the University of Stirling.

I will move straight to questions from members. First, I will bring in the deputy convener, Ruth Maguire.

Criminal Justice Committee, Health, Social Care and Sport Committee, and Social Justice and Social Security Committee (Joint Meeting)

Drug Deaths and Drug Harm

Meeting date: 2 November 2023

Sue Webber

My question might be better directed towards Susanne Millar. I was curious about the community engagement that you mentioned and the fact that you are having to go back to community councils. What will the community consultation process change? Will you not go ahead with the work irrespective of communities’ views, so is the engagement process not a bit disingenuous?

Criminal Justice Committee, Health, Social Care and Sport Committee, and Social Justice and Social Security Committee (Joint Meeting)

Drug Deaths and Drug Harm

Meeting date: 2 November 2023

Sue Webber

Minister, you mentioned the evaluation methodology. I am glad that the chief officer of Glasgow city health and social care partnership is here today, because you talked about the methodology needing to be robust, flexible and agile, and I am looking for some reassurance that it will also be very independent.

Criminal Justice Committee, Health, Social Care and Sport Committee, and Social Justice and Social Security Committee (Joint Meeting)

Drug Deaths and Drug Harm

Meeting date: 2 November 2023

Sue Webber

That is very helpful. Thank you.

Criminal Justice Committee, Health, Social Care and Sport Committee, and Social Justice and Social Security Committee (Joint Meeting)

Drug Deaths and Drug Harm

Meeting date: 2 November 2023

Sue Webber

It is not a hidden fact that our party’s perspective on safer drug consumption facilities is different from that of others. We are very much looking forward to seeing the evidence before we take a position on consumption facilities being set up more widely across the country.

I am aware that the City of Edinburgh Council is considering such things, and I am also aware that the service in Glasgow is funded by the Scottish Government. Given that the integration joint board in Edinburgh is in critical financial strife, I would have grave concerns if any consumption facility were to be funded from its existing budget. I am therefore looking for a bit of assurance on that.

Recently, the minister and I have shared some correspondence on the priorities that I think that some of the IJBs and alcohol and drug partnerships need to have with regard to the medication assisted treatment standards. I would just highlight the case of a constituent from my area, who was on Buvidal in Edinburgh prison, and when he presented at the south-west office in Edinburgh, he was told that he could not have that and that he would have to come back in two weeks, which potentially meant that he would have to go back on to methadone. There is a mismatch here between harm reduction and the embedding of that approach and the investment that is needed at local level to really help our individuals. I do not want the cart to be put before the horse here; I want us to have services that help people to recover before we have services that prevent harm.