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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 7 June 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25 and Education Reform

Meeting date: 17 January 2024

Sue Webber

I thank the cabinet secretary and her officials for their evidence this morning. That concludes the public part of our proceedings. The committee will move into private session to consider the final agenda item.

12:38 Meeting continued in private until 12:57.  

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25 and Education Reform

Meeting date: 17 January 2024

Sue Webber

My recollection of the evidence was that it was about the complementary nature of having teachers, pupil support assistants and speech and language therapists in the classroom, so it was not perhaps as binary as—

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25 and Education Reform

Meeting date: 17 January 2024

Sue Webber

We have a number of supplementaries on the same theme. I must ask that they be kept brief.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25 and Education Reform

Meeting date: 17 January 2024

Sue Webber

We will move to questions from Bill Kidd.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25 and Education Reform

Meeting date: 17 January 2024

Sue Webber

Thank you very much, and well done to Michelle Thomson for getting that on the record.

That concludes the first part of our evidence session.

10:42 Meeting suspended.  

11:12 On resuming—  

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25 and Education Reform

Meeting date: 17 January 2024

Sue Webber

Thank you for that. I call Liam Kerr.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25 and Education Reform

Meeting date: 17 January 2024

Sue Webber

Good morning, and welcome to the second meeting in 2024 of the Education, Children and Young People Committee. Agenda item 1 is an evidence session with the Cabinet Secretary for Education and Skills on the budget for 2024-25 and on education reform. It is a pleasure to have you back, cabinet secretary. Alongside the cabinet secretary, from the Scottish Government, are Andrew Watson, director for children and families; Sam Anson, deputy director, workforce, infrastructure and digital; and Stuart Greig, head of the reform division. We welcome you all and thank you for your time.

Before we move to questions from members, I invite the cabinet secretary to make a brief opening statement on the budget for 2024-25. You have up to three minutes.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25 and Education Reform

Meeting date: 17 January 2024

Sue Webber

You mentioned the timeline. You came into post and, in November 2023, the Deputy First Minister then set out savings of £56 million in the further and higher education budget across demand-led programmes at the Scottish Funding Council. At last week’s meeting, I indicated to the Minister for Higher and Further Education that those savings were made in the further education budget but that, in fact, they affected both the further and higher education budgets. I would like that to be clarified on the record. The fact remains that it is unclear what those demand-led programmes were and where the savings came from. Can you let us know what programmes were affected? When the Scottish Funding Council was questioned about that £56 million at the Public Audit Committee this week, it was unable to identify those specific demand-led programmes.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25 and Education Reform

Meeting date: 17 January 2024

Sue Webber

I see that Pam Duncan-Glancy is looking to come in.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25 and Education Reform

Meeting date: 17 January 2024

Sue Webber

I understand that.