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Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee
Meeting date: 12 June 2025
Martin Whitfield
With the exception of a law official.
Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee
Meeting date: 12 June 2025
Martin Whitfield
Which in itself can be a difficult task.
I thank the Government for sharing information and for the evidence that we have heard today. What has come through, not only in the evidence to the Government but subjectively—a lot of people think this—is that these are full-time roles and should be fulfilled as such. It is pertinent to address the dual mandate issue. Although the minutiae are not available to some people, it is useful to keep in mind the principle that an elected role is a full-time job and needs to be treated that way.
Minister, thank you for both your evidence sessions, and thank you to those who support you. We move into private and will reconvene in public, not before 1 pm.
10:47 Meeting continued in private.Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee
Meeting date: 12 June 2025
Martin Whitfield
Thank you very much. I am happy to start with the questions, but I am also happy to open up to the committee if anyone has any urgent ones.
Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee
Meeting date: 12 June 2025
Martin Whitfield
You anticipated my next question. Do you welcome your level of flexibility or, as an explainer, is the 10 or 5 per cent rule much easier for people to understand, even though they may not agree with it?
Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee
Meeting date: 12 June 2025
Martin Whitfield
That is fine—very sensible. I am coming to the end of my questions—I hope that you will be disappointed to learn that, but I fear that you will not.
The regional rules are much more explicit than the constituency rules. They are far easier to understand, because we have to group entire constituencies into the regions. Sue Webber prompted a discussion earlier about the challenge that then comes for local authorities, where part of a local authority area is in one region and the rest of it is in another region. That adds to my previous point about one MSP representing a constituency in three different local authority areas, because we could have up to 15 other MSPs interested in an issue. From a purely administrative, common-sense point of view, that is a very big round table to bring together to discuss problems—let me put it that way.
Do you have any comments on the consequences of the choices that are made by Boundaries Scotland? The effect on local authorities is not part of your tests—you need not take account of that if you follow the four rules—but are you conscious of that effect and do you have any concerns about it?
14:00Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee
Meeting date: 12 June 2025
Martin Whitfield
Here is a strange question that I do not know the answer to. When you are considering that, do you think only of the constituency MSP, or does the availability of list MSPs—even though they have not been identified at the point—feed into the “inconveniences” category?
Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee
Meeting date: 12 June 2025
Martin Whitfield
So they were separate decisions rather than what people perceived, which was that, because the South Scotland numbers were low, you needed something to go in it to get the numbers up—or, indeed, the other way around.
Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee
Meeting date: 12 June 2025
Martin Whitfield
I will ask my final questions. You are undertaking a lessons learned exercise, which will fill a huge amount of your time. In that exercise, will you consider how to preserve the institutional memory of the challenges that have happened? To put it politely, I think that the institutional memory from the earlier boundary changes was possibly lost. I am not saying that it was a whole new learning curve—absolutely not, because I know that huge amounts of work went into the process. However, the question is how you capture and preserve the lessons learned so that, next time, the process runs even more smoothly and successfully, with a better understanding from the electorate of what is happening.
Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee
Meeting date: 12 June 2025
Martin Whitfield
The digitised boundaries that fit in—absolutely.
Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee
Meeting date: 12 June 2025
Martin Whitfield
Putting automaticity to one side, would you like to see anything change before the next go around this circle, particularly with regard to the Holyrood boundaries? Given that we have eight years—who knows—what would your wish list be?