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Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee
Meeting date: 12 June 2025
Martin Whitfield
We resume our meeting to consider evidence on the draft Scottish Parliament (Constituencies and Regions) Order 2025. The committee is joined by Professor Ailsa Henderson, who is the chair of Boundaries Scotland, and Kirsty Mavor, who is its secretary. I welcome you both to the committee. I invite Professor Henderson to make some brief opening remarks, after which we will move to questions from the committee.
Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee
Meeting date: 12 June 2025
Martin Whitfield
Might you consider looking at that in the post-review analysis?
Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee
Meeting date: 12 June 2025
Martin Whitfield
My challenge to you, then, is that, in your explanation for decisions, when people raise questions about why you did something, you tend to point at one of those specific rules rather than saying, “Actually, it’s an amalgam of rules, and this is the consensus that we have come to.”
Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee
Meeting date: 12 June 2025
Martin Whitfield
There is something in that, potentially—if, instead of
“boundaries of local government areas”,
it had said “ward boundaries”.
Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee
Meeting date: 12 June 2025
Martin Whitfield
I was not talking about the construction of the constituencies in the regions. I meant some of the explanations that have been given to constituents of why their proposal has not been taken up. The correspondence shows you pointing at one of the four rules, rather than the explanation that you have just given.
Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee
Meeting date: 12 June 2025
Martin Whitfield
Is it much easier to attach automaticity of boundary changes to such a rule than to what we have in Scotland—and to justify changes?
Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee
Meeting date: 12 June 2025
Martin Whitfield
Let us take what has happened in South Scotland as a regional example—which is a slight reflection of what has happened in the past—of satisfying the numbers and a geographical identity, which is the Lothians. If we go along the boundary of South Scotland, another area had to go down into the South Scotland region. That is all in the give and take of the process.
What was it that led you to conclude that your proposals were the right moves, given that it was a removal of an area compared with what has been the understanding for a long period of time? What was it that triggered that being the solution, rather than sticking to the status quo?
Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee
Meeting date: 12 June 2025
Martin Whitfield
So the map is driven by the written description. The map is illustrative of the consequences of the description on the ground.
Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee
Meeting date: 12 June 2025
Martin Whitfield
Perfect.
Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee
Meeting date: 12 June 2025
Martin Whitfield
It would go further than that, in the sense that there would be parity up to the trigger of the event that would lead to a recall petition. Parity commences when a member takes the oath. There would be parity up to the point at which a member is shown—if proved through the process and after appeals—to be unfit to hold the office. Is the Scottish Government comfortable with the idea that that is the edge of parity and that the recall process could reflect the different ways in which people come here before taking the oath?