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Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee
Meeting date: 2 October 2025
Martin Whitfield
So, the Scottish Government is confident that the authority to make provision for payments will prevent an accusation against the corporate body that it is failing to meet the 1998 act because it is not making such provision.
Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee
Meeting date: 2 October 2025
Martin Whitfield
Did you consider the challenge that, although ennoblement occurs when it occurs in the House of Lords, the individual will be aware that ennoblement is coming, and, funnily enough, they actually have a huge amount of control over when it happens? Did that form any part of your concerns or, to go back to the policy behind the measure, are you satisfied that it is existing members of the House of Lords that you are talking about when it comes to dual mandates, rather than someone who is anticipating becoming a member?
Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee
Meeting date: 2 October 2025
Martin Whitfield
That is very helpful. It goes back to the policy decision that being an MSP is a full-time job and the public expectation is that the member has a full-time commitment to it and nothing else to detract from it. That underlies the practical decisions that are having to be taken in the SSIs.
Thank you for your patience, Graham.
Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee
Meeting date: 2 October 2025
Martin Whitfield
Excellent. Thank you.
Our next agenda items are the debates on the three pieces of subordinate legislation that are before us. The first is on motion S6M-18743.
As members will be aware, only the minister and members can speak during any debate on the motion. I invite the minister to move the motion.
Motion moved,
That the Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee recommends that the Scottish Parliament (Disqualification of Members of the House of Commons) Regulations 2025 be approved.—[Graeme Dey]
Motion agreed to.
Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee
Meeting date: 2 October 2025
Martin Whitfield
The next item is a discussion of motion S6M-18744. I invite the minister to move the motion.
Motion moved,
That the Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee recommends that the Scottish Parliament (Disqualification of Members of the House of Lords) Regulations 2025 be approved.—[Graeme Dey]
Motion agreed to.
Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee
Meeting date: 2 October 2025
Martin Whitfield
The next item is a debate on motion S6M-18745. I invite the minister to move the motion.
Motion moved,
That the Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee recommends that the Scottish Parliament (Disqualification of Councillors) Regulations 2025 be approved.—[Graeme Dey]
Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee
Meeting date: 2 October 2025
Martin Whitfield
Again, for the purpose of clarification, given that the Scottish Parliament rightly and understandably has no control over the salaries of members of Parliament, it was decided to take the same approach with the three statutory instruments, which relate to two elected roles and one unelected role, because it is easier and more pragmatic to make the deduction from the MSP salary. Control over that can be provided, and the practicalities of implementing that can then be dealt with. Is that right?
Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee
Meeting date: 2 October 2025
Martin Whitfield
The one outstanding period of time relates to councillors. The longer exception in that regard is a response to an understandable concern about multiple by-elections occurring following a Holyrood election. However, 372 days is a considerable period of overlap. Did that form any part in the consideration of whether there should be a dual salary for a period? If not quite two full-time jobs, there is one plus an almost full-time job to take account of, so someone is effectively being required to hold down two jobs, but with a penalty to their salary. Was that part of the consideration in either coming up with the 372 days or just saying that the burden of multiple by-elections outweighs the benefit of looking at anything less than that?
Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee
Meeting date: 2 October 2025
Martin Whitfield
My other question is about what mechanisms will exist to monitor that. Councillors could resign their councillorship much earlier than that, so this is a sort of long stop. What will prevent multiple by-elections from occurring in around September of the year of a Holyrood election?
Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee
Meeting date: 2 October 2025
Martin Whitfield
What concerns me is that, in the public responses to the consultation, there is a very strong view that members should not hold two positions. There will be enormous pressure on new MSPs to immediately resign their council seats in order to give a full-time commitment to this job, and undertakings to do so will probably be extracted from them during the election period.
I understand why the SSIs have been articulated as an environment in which this change can happen. However, that has perhaps ignored a reality—I think more with councillors than with MPs, because that would be resolved and understood before the election—that multiple council by-elections could happen only months before the start of the campaign for the new council elections in 2027.