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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 11 May 2025
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Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Committee Effectiveness Inquiry

Meeting date: 24 April 2025

Martin Whitfield

As convener, I am gently going to move us along, because I am conscious of the time. I will bring in Sue Webber, as her questions build on what we have just been talking about.

10:15  

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Committee Effectiveness Inquiry

Meeting date: 24 April 2025

Martin Whitfield

Are there any other comments before I gently move us on?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Committee Effectiveness Inquiry

Meeting date: 24 April 2025

Martin Whitfield

On that point, I will pass over to Emma Roddick, who has questions on structure and culture in committees.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Committee Effectiveness Inquiry

Meeting date: 24 April 2025

Martin Whitfield

Diane Stirbu, do you want to come in?

09:30  

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Committee Effectiveness Inquiry

Meeting date: 24 April 2025

Martin Whitfield

The best-laid plans can go awry, depending on who is on the committee.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Committee Effectiveness Inquiry

Meeting date: 24 April 2025

Martin Whitfield

Our third agenda item is the third in a series of four oral evidence sessions in our committee effectiveness inquiry. The inquiry is seeking to answer the question of whether changes to the Parliament’s procedures and practices would help committees to work more effectively. Our call for written views on the inquiry has now closed, and the submissions will be published on our website in due course. Today, we are seeking to explore committee effectiveness in the context of changes to the committee system in other legislatures and how those have been measured and evaluated.

I welcome Professor Diana Stirbu, co-director of the centre for applied research in empowering society at London Metropolitan University, who joins us online; Professor Philip Lord Norton of Louth, professor of government and director of the centre for legislative studies at the University of Hull; Dr Stephen Holden Bates, senior lecturer in political science at the University of Birmingham; and Dr Ruth Fox, director and head of research at the Hansard Society.

This is a round-table evidence session. Although there will be the usual approach of questions from members to witnesses, it is intended that there will be opportunity for discussion between the witnesses on points in order to encourage a more open and free dialogue. There is no expectation that witnesses will answer all questions. Should anyone wish to come in on a question or in response to a point made by another witness, please indicate by catching my eye or that of the clerks. For Professor Stirbu, who is appearing remotely, I ask you to type the letter R in the chat box or pop your hand up, and I will notice and be most grateful.

As tends to be the case, you will be thrown on the mercy of the convener for the first set of questions. I want to look at the definition or meaning of “effectiveness of committees”. Is effectiveness context specific? If so, what are the factors that shape whether committees are effective in the places where the witnesses have worked and that they have observed? What is effectiveness in the context of committees?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Interests

Meeting date: 24 April 2025

Martin Whitfield

Good morning. I welcome everyone to the sixth meeting in 2025 of the Standards, Procedure and Public Appointments Committee. I have received apologies from Ruth Maguire, and I welcome Rona Mackay as her substitute.

Our first agenda item is a declaration of interests from a new member. I welcome to the committee Emma Roddick MSP and invite her to declare any interests that are relevant to her role on the committee.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Committee Effectiveness Inquiry

Meeting date: 24 April 2025

Martin Whitfield

Do you think, then, that there is a balance to be struck in terms of effectiveness regarding to whom a committee is speaking? As you have said, the audiences will be different, depending on what the committees do, but do committees have a responsibility to be as effective as possible to the most audiences? If not, which audience takes priority?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Committee Effectiveness Inquiry

Meeting date: 24 April 2025

Martin Whitfield

Ruth Fox, do you want to add anything to that?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Committee Effectiveness Inquiry

Meeting date: 24 April 2025

Martin Whitfield

Following on from the issue of the timescale that you mention, is there any evidence from other legislatures of committees looking beyond the tight timetable of their existence in one session into further sessions? Has any such long-scope thinking come to fruition, or are we still waiting to see whether that approach points to a more effective type of committee?

In the Scottish Parliament, as in lots of Parliaments, towards the end of a session, we produce a report that we gleefully hand over to those unknown members who will come after us, and we wait to see what they do with it. Is there any evidence of anything that goes beyond that, involving long-term planning and long-term effectiveness, with people coming back in the long term to see the effectiveness of something that they have done?