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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 9 November 2025
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Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 12 June 2025

Martin Whitfield

Absolutely. The Scottish Government is suggesting things rather than saying, “This is our view,” but are you content for a bill to, in essence, try to hypothesise on unknown unknowns in the future?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 12 June 2025

Martin Whitfield

Good morning. I welcome everyone to the 10th meeting in 2025 of the Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee. I have received apologies from Ruth Maguire, and I welcome Rona Mackay who is attending as her substitute. I have also received apologies from Annie Wells.

Our first item of business is a decision on whether to take in private agenda items 4 and 6, which will be discussions of the evidence that we will hear today. Are we agreed?

Members indicated agreement.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 12 June 2025

Martin Whitfield

Under agenda item 2, the committee will continue its stage 1 consideration of the Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill. I welcome the Minister for Parliamentary Business, Jamie Hepburn, and his supporting officials, Leila Brosnan, shadow bill team leader; Ailsa Kemp, Parliament and legislation unit team leader; and Jordan McGrory, a solicitor from the legal directorate. I also welcome Graham Simpson, the member in charge of the bill. Minister, I invite you to make some opening comments.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 12 June 2025

Martin Whitfield

I am grateful for those remarks, minister, and I sincerely hope that all elected individuals will echo a great deal of what you said about the importance of transparency and being held properly to account. Therefore, we will hold you to account—I hand over to Emma Roddick, who has the first set of questions.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 12 June 2025

Martin Whitfield

Does the Scottish Government have a view on the percentages that would occasion a recall? For a constituency MSP, the proposed threshold is 10 per cent. For a regional MSP, it is 10 per cent overall and 10 per cent in three constituencies in the region.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 12 June 2025

Martin Whitfield

However, the Government does not have any overt concerns, other than the unknown unknowns. Perhaps it will depend on where the committee lands in its stage 1 report or what happens further down the line.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 12 June 2025

Martin Whitfield

In a petition situation, what do we do about unidentified groups that do not register and may potentially be subject to legislation if they can be identified and fall foul of something? There are legitimate examples—I am thinking back to Jersey, where there is a “none of the above” option when there is only one candidate. In the last election there, there was an orchestrated, anonymous campaign to ensure that “none of the above” won. You could not identify who was funding it or where the correspondence and the social media posts were coming from, but, clearly, the campaign was successful in the first round—then there were changes because there was a re-election at that point. Are there concerns about that, and has work been done and thought been given to how we would deal with that matter here?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 12 June 2025

Martin Whitfield

Do you see the bill as the vehicle to do that?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 12 June 2025

Martin Whitfield

I hope that such an event will never happen, but if it does, rather than its sitting in a cycle that people have got used to—which has happened because we have seen some challenges with all the voting systems in Scotland at some stage—does the Government recognise that there would need to be an education element to the process for the voters to understand what they were doing?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 12 June 2025

Martin Whitfield

That is fine.