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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 13 July 2025
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Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2025

Martin Whitfield

You have raised the issue of turnout at by-elections, which is somewhere between 32 and 45 per cent, depending on the circumstances. They are very small turnouts, compared to full elections, and yet the level of 10 per cent triggers a by-election. Is there merit in looking at the connection between the figures, or should we look separately at the policy decision on the level of 10 per cent and the reality of the enthusiasm or otherwise for by-elections?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2025

Martin Whitfield

Yes, it is a policy decision. That is helpful.

Another issue that I have picked up concerns the indicators that could prompt the recall process. Do we need to be careful in that regard, and to recognise the difference between what are potentially political decisions to seek to oust an MSP and a more moral agreed understanding? For example, removal following imprisonment for the period of a year already exists; there are measures to identify that.

What is the tension between the internal Scottish Parliament consequences that could lead to the process being activated and the external ones? What level of care do we need to put in place if we are going to pull our internal behaviour into an external result?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2025

Martin Whitfield

Should we consider that aspect as part of the bill or, if the bill becomes law, should it be considered internally by the Parliament with regard to its procedures?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2025

Martin Whitfield

Following on from that, I would say that another aspect of this is the money that is spent. With some of the petitions that make it to Westminster, parties have put enormous resource into ensuring that the 10 per cent threshold is reached. Do we need to take that issue into account? Obviously, that might not be dealt with in primary legislation, but there is a question about how much money is thrown at recalls. In some of the examples that you have shared from the US, those who backed petitions with a high level of resource achieved changes that might not otherwise have occurred. What level of credit, credence and thought should we give to that issue at this stage?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2025

Martin Whitfield

So, make it a separation at that point.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2025

Martin Whitfield

Is that a comment about your bill or about this committee? In any case, I am more than happy to take the flavour of the witnesses’ views.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2025

Martin Whitfield

Are there any other comments?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2025

Martin Whitfield

That is very helpful. As always, it is the detail that causes the problem.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2025

Martin Whitfield

Do you have any concerns, or see any potential problems, with the conflict between the methodology in the bill, which is effectively direct, and the representative element? Should we be concerned enough to say that we should never let the two mix, or are you confident that there is scope for both in proportion?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2025

Martin Whitfield

It is not a dynamic that we are used to in our democracy.