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Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee
Meeting date: 28 April 2022
Martin Whitfield
I welcome everyone back to the meeting, and I welcome our second panel of witnesses. Joining us today are Denis Naughten TD, who is a member of Dáil Éireann, and Gerit Vermeylen, who is director of legislative services at the Flemish Parliament. I welcome both gentlemen to the meeting. We were going to be joined by the Hon Laurence Skelly, who is President of Tynwald, but unfortunately he is unwell. On behalf of the committee, I say that we hope that he makes a swift and full recovery.
Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee
Meeting date: 28 April 2022
Martin Whitfield
Thank you, Mr Naughten. That was a fantastic flavour.
I turn to Gerit Vermeylen. As director of legislative services, you have the privilege of being the one person here today who is not elected, but perhaps that gives you an insight that we do not have. Would you like to explain how the Flemish Parliament managed during the Covid period?
Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee
Meeting date: 28 April 2022
Martin Whitfield
Good morning, and welcome to the 11th meeting of the Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee in 2022. I remind members who are joining us remotely to place an R in the chat function on BlueJeans if they would like to come in on any issue.
Our first agenda item is a decision on taking business in private. Does the committee agree to take agenda items 3 and 4 in private? Agenda item 3 is consideration of the evidence that we will hear at item 2, and item 4 is consideration of the Lobbying (Scotland) Act 2016 impact assessment. Do members agree to take those items in private?
Members indicated agreement.
Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee
Meeting date: 28 April 2022
Martin Whitfield
That is very helpful. Lord Gardiner, I turn to you for a similar introduction to where the House of Lords is at the moment.
Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee
Meeting date: 28 April 2022
Martin Whitfield
Thank you, Collette.
Moving on to scrutiny, I will put the witnesses into the capable hands of Edward Mountain, who has a few questions on that subject.
Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee
Meeting date: 28 April 2022
Martin Whitfield
That is helpful.
Mr Vermeylen, my understanding is that the Flemish Parliament does not have proxy voting for members who cannot attend. Is there a view to move to that, or has the electronic voting system removed any demand for it?
Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee
Meeting date: 28 April 2022
Martin Whitfield
That is very helpful. Thank you.
Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee
Meeting date: 28 April 2022
Martin Whitfield
That is extremely helpful. I am sure that this committee will follow your investigation into that initiative.
I want to pick up one aspect of that. My understanding—please correct me if I am wrong—is that the application for a proxy vote goes to the Speaker for authorisation. Is there any control over who can hold the proxy vote after that? Is that the member’s own decision? A number of people have pointed out to us that, basically, the whips hold the proxy. Whether or not that was an active decision or something that came about because of circumstances—you have indicated your view on that—what would be your preferred way of someone holding a proxy vote?
Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee
Meeting date: 28 April 2022
Martin Whitfield
That is very helpful.
Lord Gardiner, my understanding from ancient school history is that the House of Lords had proxy voting many hundreds of years ago but abandoned it. What is the current position? I understand that there is no formal proxy system now, but is another method used to assist members to vote if they are unable to be there?
Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee
Meeting date: 28 April 2022
Martin Whitfield
I hand over to Edward Mountain.