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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 24 December 2025
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Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Correspondence (Proxy Voting)

Meeting date: 29 September 2022

Martin Whitfield

Excellent. I think that we are content that the person who grants the proxy should, as appropriate, be able to take back the vote for specific instances and that the scheme should be flexible in order to show that. With regard to the transparency, again, I am content with the fact that the Parliament will be aware that a proxy vote has been cast through the process of the member casting it, rather than anything more public than that happening beforehand. Obviously, the member might choose to explain what is happening, but I do not think that we need more than that. In relation to the application, I certainly do not think that we need anything other than the conversation between the member and the Presiding Officer. Are we content with that?

Members indicated agreement.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Correspondence (Proxy Voting)

Meeting date: 29 September 2022

Martin Whitfield

That is interesting. I mean no disrespect, but I have never envisaged the proxy voting happening just in the chamber. I was thinking of people who, at present, are joining through BlueJeans and making their point of order afterwards. How strange that is. There is a change or difference of experience in this place.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Correspondence (Proxy Voting)

Meeting date: 29 September 2022

Martin Whitfield

I agree and I think that we need to look at that and possibly discuss it further. People talk with dread about such situations, because of the various planning bills and traffic regulations in the past. Are there any further comments about the letter or are we happy for the trial to be not less than 12 months? I think that we need to have enough data to decide how we go forward. We are talking about the eligibility for a proxy vote including maternity, paternity and bereavement leave. Are we happy with the phrase “serious illness”? Do we want just “illness”?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Correspondence (Proxy Voting)

Meeting date: 29 September 2022

Martin Whitfield

There may well be a role for the committee or for Parliament, if and when the trial period starts, to give members the opportunity to ask questions about that and investigate it so that they both understand the obligation and see an opportunity that may make some situations easier for them to deal with.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Correspondence (Proxy Voting)

Meeting date: 29 September 2022

Martin Whitfield

I think that that is very helpful. The procedure would be a temporary rule change, which would sit next to a short report from this committee that would go to the chamber to be voted on before the trial period would begin. I am slightly concerned that any member who wants to exercise a proxy might fear that the committee would be there the minute they choose to exercise it, watching them and asking how it is going.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Correspondence (Proxy Voting)

Meeting date: 29 September 2022

Martin Whitfield

Agenda item 2 is about proxy voting, which the committee has been looking at for a long time. We have now received correspondence from the Parliamentary Bureau and the Scottish parliamentary Labour Party in relation to proxy voting.

Today, I would like us to have our final discussions on where we stand on proxy voting, in the hope that, in the near future, we can propose a temporary scheme, which we can invite members to take on for a period of time. As I said, we have received two letters from interested parties—one from the parliamentary Labour Party, which seems very much in support of proxy voting, and a longer letter from the Parliamentary Bureau. Are there any comments before we start? After any comments, I think that we should work through the letters so that we can delve into some of the questions that we will need to resolve before coming up with a scheme.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Correspondence (Proxy Voting)

Meeting date: 29 September 2022

Martin Whitfield

The verification process—or, in other words, how the proxy vote happens—really needs to be discussed with the Presiding Officer’s office as well, but we are content that the Presiding Officer should grant the proxy, albeit that an administrative process will sit underneath that.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Correspondence (Proxy Voting)

Meeting date: 29 September 2022

Martin Whitfield

I know that discussions have taken place about that. The simplest procedure that I have heard discussed is that, during a vote, the person who holds a proxy vote will cast their own vote. Once the voting period is over but before the votes are counted, they will pop up to make a point of order, in which they will point out to the Presiding Officer that they hold a proxy vote and will say how they want to exercise it. Having previously ruminated on a million and one ways in which it could work, when somebody suggested that procedure, it seemed so simple, because that is what we do now if any of the technology should fail during the voting period. Therefore, not only are people in the chamber used to it, but it confirms separately, on the record, how the proxy was exercised. For the purposes of the trial, that is a relatively straightforward, simple way to do it.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Correspondence (Proxy Voting)

Meeting date: 29 September 2022

Martin Whitfield

Okay.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Correspondence (Proxy Voting)

Meeting date: 29 September 2022

Martin Whitfield

That was my mistake. Absolutely, I think that eligibility should cover that situation. I also think that we should mention that it should cover bereavement. Again, those situations do not require members to take up a proxy vote, but there would be an opportunity to do so if they wish.

Should the proxy last for four weeks, with the option for that to be extended? Should the flexibility of that be a matter for discussion between the member and the Presiding Officer?