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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 25 August 2025
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Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Commissioner for Ethical Standards in Public Life in Scotland

Meeting date: 10 February 2022

Martin Whitfield

I am sorry to interrupt, Tess, but Sue Webber wants to come in on one of Ian Bruce’s answers.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Commissioner for Ethical Standards in Public Life in Scotland

Meeting date: 10 February 2022

Martin Whitfield

That is very kind.

Before I hand over to Collette Stevenson, I will state the obvious, because it needs to be stated. Mr Bruce, when you were talking about devolving the investigations of MSP complaints to your staff, you were talking about devolving the process. The actual decision on whether there is a breach rests with you as an independent commissioner, in your role as acting commissioner, and those final decisions are always taken by you, based on all the evidence that is presented to you following an investigation. That would be right, would it not?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Commissioner for Ethical Standards in Public Life in Scotland

Meeting date: 10 February 2022

Martin Whitfield

It might help to note that the position became apparent because of questions that were being asked by our equivalents in relation to councillor cases that came to them. Our predecessor committee, in the previous session of Parliament—as far as you are aware, Mr Bruce—never raised questions with the commissioner in relation to MSP complaints.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Commissioner for Ethical Standards in Public Life in Scotland

Meeting date: 10 February 2022

Martin Whitfield

That is very helpful.

One of the criticisms, which was quite strong, was that the services of the audit advisory board were dispensed with. What is the situation now with regard to the audit advisory board. Is an arrangement with it in place, or coming into place? Where are we at the moment?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Commissioner for Ethical Standards in Public Life in Scotland

Meeting date: 10 February 2022

Martin Whitfield

I am sorry, but I am not sure whether we are talking about the directions from the commission or the proposals in Deloitte’s audit report.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Decisions on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 10 February 2022

Martin Whitfield

Good morning and welcome to the fifth meeting of the Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee in 2022. I remind members who are participating virtually to put an R in the chat function on BlueJeans if they would like to speak on any issue.

Agenda item 1 is for the committee to agree to take item 4 in private. At item 4, the committee will discuss the evidence that we will hear during item 3. Do members agree to take item 4 in private?

Members indicated agreement.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Commissioner for Ethical Standards in Public Life in Scotland

Meeting date: 10 February 2022

Martin Whitfield

Thank you—I am grateful for that confirmation.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Commissioner for Ethical Standards in Public Life in Scotland

Meeting date: 10 February 2022

Martin Whitfield

That is helpful.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Commissioner for Ethical Standards in Public Life in Scotland

Meeting date: 10 February 2022

Martin Whitfield

To follow up on that, point 5.3 in the Deloitte audit report refers to the

“wider governance issues identified”

and recommends that

“the SPCB, in consultation with the Commissioner and other Officeholders, review whether the governance structure in place remains sufficient and appropriate.”

Your response said that you were

“happy to contribute to any consultation.”

As an independent commissioner, and with regard to stakeholder engagement, your role lies in contributing to that discussion rather than in seeking it out or enforcing it.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Commissioner for Ethical Standards in Public Life in Scotland

Meeting date: 10 February 2022

Martin Whitfield

You talked about getting the investigation manual, which is in draft form, to the point at which it will be shared. In the Deloitte report and the other audit report, there is much discussion of the need for an external investigator or overseer—an external second opinion. It appears that, on the back of the handbook, you would like the opportunity to have an internal review of previous decisions before moving to external advice. Is that right?