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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 24 August 2025
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Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Future Parliamentary Procedures and Practices

Meeting date: 21 April 2022

Martin Whitfield

Welcome back to our second evidence session on future parliamentary procedure and practice. I welcome Dr Sarah Childs from the Royal Holloway, University of London, and Dr Andy Williamson from Democratise, who is joining us online. I thank you for your attendance this morning. My intention is to move straight to questions from the committee in the hope that we can develop a conversation about certain themes that have come through in the evidence that we have received so far. I will pass you both into the more than capable hands of Collette Stevenson.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Future Parliamentary Procedures and Practices

Meeting date: 21 April 2022

Martin Whitfield

Dr Childs, we will hear from you first.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Future Parliamentary Procedures and Practices

Meeting date: 21 April 2022

Martin Whitfield

I thank our second panel of witnesses for a very informative session. I hope that you continue to follow our inquiry with interest. We will, no doubt, bombard you with questions on various matters in due course.

On behalf of the committee, I once again thank Professor Childs for attending in person and I thank Dr Williamson, whom we managed, with technology allowing and the sheep and lambs being in the right place, to see very clearly by the end.

We now move into private session.

10:49 Meeting continued in private until 11:14.  

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Future Parliamentary Procedures and Practices

Meeting date: 21 April 2022

Martin Whitfield

Apologies, Dr Fox. We seem to be losing the line, so I think that we will try with just audio. Do you want to try now?

09:45  

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 21 April 2022

Martin Whitfield

Good morning. I welcome everyone to the 10th meeting in 2022 of the Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee. I remind members who are attending virtually to place an R in the BlueJeans chat function if they want to come in on any issue.

Item 1 is a decision on whether to take in private item 3, which is consideration of the evidence that we will hear today. Does the committee agree to take item 3 in private?

Members indicated agreement.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Future Parliamentary Procedures and Practices

Meeting date: 21 April 2022

Martin Whitfield

I want to pursue that, Dr Fox. As a member, I came into the Parliament during Covid and never saw it in what someone described as its golden time—although I think that its golden time is still to come. Do you think that human beings just cannot get over that problem with regard to communication and simply need to meet and talk in person straight away? Are we not capable of creating a different culture that will still facilitate the creation of laws outside of chamber discussions, however that might happen? Should we be confident that human beings themselves, given their ability to communicate and articulate things, will find ways of doing that even if the ability to sit in the same room does not exist?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Future Parliamentary Procedures and Practices

Meeting date: 21 April 2022

Martin Whitfield

Bob Doris will develop the conversation.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Future Parliamentary Procedures and Practices

Meeting date: 21 April 2022

Martin Whitfield

That is interesting. The problem does not lie in the formulaic way in which legislation is created or in which committees sit but in the softer, challenging-to-measure interactions that happen face to face and in person that facilitate the greater ideal of producing legislation and getting work done.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Future Parliamentary Procedures and Practices

Meeting date: 21 April 2022

Martin Whitfield

Relationship politics and—I will use this word carefully and then regret it immediately—the reality of how Parliaments work, which perhaps is not transparent to constituents outside of them, are so important. There is a risk that, with hybrid, certainly at this stage, technology is unable to provide anything near equivalent. Is that fair?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Future Parliamentary Procedures and Practices

Meeting date: 21 April 2022

Martin Whitfield

We can hear you now, Dr Fox. I am waiting to see whether Professor Russell can join us.