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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 3 May 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2024

Sharon Dowey

We heard evidence from the Scottish Police Federation that some issues with the complaints and misconduct processes could be dealt with through the existing conduct and performance regulations, but they have never been enacted properly. They are now seen as a punishment, and the system

“investigates ... at the top level and not at the bottom level”.—[Official Report, Criminal Justice Committee, 8 May 2024; c 28.]

Could I get your comments on that?

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2024

Sharon Dowey

When there is irrefutable evidence, do you still have to pay somebody in their employment up to the point that it gets to a court case, even though it is obvious that they will not be able to continue in employment?

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2024

Sharon Dowey

So you need legislation for some things, but do you need training for other bits? Is there a lack of training in some areas? One of our witnesses heard that he had been put on to restricted duties, but he was never told why; since then, we have heard more evidence that there was no reason why that should have happened. I find it hard to believe that somebody could be either suspended or put on restricted duties without being told why. Is there a training or performance management issue there?

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2024

Sharon Dowey

I want to follow on from your conversation with the convener and ask again about what difference a code of ethics will have if there are no sanctions. The code has been described as symbolic; you are saying that what we are putting in legislation is really just a guide and that the disciplinary processes should be separate.

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2024

Sharon Dowey

So, it is something to aspire to. In that case, is there any benefit in putting it in legislation?

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2024

Sharon Dowey

I perhaps need to get my head around what actually needs legislation and what can be put into your handbook, if you like.

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2024

Sharon Dowey

Do you need secondary legislation to enact some of those things? There was mention of random drug tests for officers. Do you need legislation for that? Can it not just be a condition of employment that you must comply with that?

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2024

Sharon Dowey

In the interests of everybody who wants quick resolutions to their problems or complaints, do we need to get that in the bill right now, instead of having to wait for secondary legislation?

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2024

Sharon Dowey

It is one of the things that committee members need to get their heads around. A lot of non-legislative recommendations seem to have been actioned, and we have heard evidence that there has been a lot of improvement, but we need to make sure that we are putting the right things into the bill. They will be the things that we do not want to wait to put into secondary legislation; we want to put them in now and ensure that we do not need to put anything else into the bill, as it will not be required.

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2024

Sharon Dowey

Do the police need to update their conduct and performance regulations?