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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 2 May 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee

Scottish Fire and Rescue Service

Meeting date: 4 September 2024

Sharon Dowey

Dave Crawford, do you want to come in on that?

Criminal Justice Committee

Scottish Fire and Rescue Service

Meeting date: 4 September 2024

Sharon Dowey

We heard earlier from the FBU about its “Firestorm” report. It was quite good that it said that you gave it the same weighting as you would a report from the HM fire service inspectorate in Scotland.

In April 2024, the SFRS published a three-year delivery plan covering 2024-25 to 2026-27, and, in December 2021, it published its long-term vision for the next 10 years. Do you have an action plan with tasks and timescales for their completion? We have heard about long-term plans in response to an earlier question. What progress has been made, and how much engagement and support are you getting from the Scottish Government?

Criminal Justice Committee

Scottish Fire and Rescue Service

Meeting date: 4 September 2024

Sharon Dowey

I have a quick question, convener.

Criminal Justice Committee

Scottish Fire and Rescue Service

Meeting date: 4 September 2024

Sharon Dowey

How much engagement do you have with the Scottish Government on that?

Criminal Justice Committee

Scottish Fire and Rescue Service

Meeting date: 4 September 2024

Sharon Dowey

What are the timescales? I am wondering about the £800 million that you said that you needed for the capital budget. Is there a lot of slippage when it comes to dealing with stations that do not have running water for example?

Criminal Justice Committee

Scottish Fire and Rescue Service

Meeting date: 4 September 2024

Sharon Dowey

I will come back in later, then.

Criminal Justice Committee

Scottish Fire and Rescue Service

Meeting date: 4 September 2024

Sharon Dowey

My next question is actually about the increase in electric vehicles and battery storage, which you mentioned. Do firefighters have the necessary equipment and training to deal with fires involving those?

Criminal Justice Committee

Scottish Fire and Rescue Service

Meeting date: 4 September 2024

Sharon Dowey

I will keep that question for the next panel.

I have a couple of questions on how well the SFRS is adapting to changing demands through training and equipping staff. As was mentioned earlier, the Grenfell statement is coming out today. Is the SFRS aware of all the sites in Scotland that still have flammable cladding? Are firefighters suitably trained to deal with those fires? Given that 10 high-rise appliances have been cut, do we have the right equipment in those locations to ensure that, if the unthinkable happens, the service is prepared?

Criminal Justice Committee

Scottish Fire and Rescue Service

Meeting date: 4 September 2024

Sharon Dowey

Do you generally meet all your targets, or is there slippage? If the latter, do those then become targets for the following year? I am asking that because we have been talking about budgetary constraints.

Criminal Justice Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 12 June 2024

Sharon Dowey

One of my other concerns is planning and preparation, which are on-going. Last week, the emergency release was described as a “breathing space”, but medium and long-term plans are needed. When asked about the future plans last week and what discussions were on-going with the Scottish Government, Phil Fairlie of the Prison Officers Association Scotland said:

“that is not being shared with us. It is not a conversation that we are involved in. The conversation might be going on elsewhere but not with us.”—[Official Report, Criminal Justice Committee, 5 June 2024; c 46.]

Cabinet secretary, you mentioned in your opening statement changing needs and the ageing prison population. We have also heard about the need for halfway houses, supervised bail hostels, GPS monitoring, secure care homes and mental health facilities. However, when asked about that, Wendy Sinclair-Gieben, who is HM chief inspector of prisons, said:

“I would have to echo Phil Fairlie’s comments and say that, if the Scottish Government is taking action on those things, I am not aware of it.”

She went on to say that she had been raising these issues for some time, but that

“I have not seen any written plans or any action planning”.—[Official Report, Criminal Justice Committee, 5 June 2024; c 46.]

This is just a breathing space. What are we actually doing? What conversations and actions are taking place so that we do not end up, in another six or nine months, saying that we will have another emergency release of prisoners?