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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 23 December 2025
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Public Audit Committee

“Planning for Skills”

Meeting date: 10 March 2022

Craig Hoy

I will turn now, in some detail, to governance and oversight. I accept that you were not in post in 2017 when the Scottish Government established the Enterprise and Skills Strategic Board. The view of the Auditor General is that

“The ESSB lacks the authority to hold the skills agencies to account”.

In 2020 the Scottish Government proposed a new skills alignment assurance group to replace the governance arrangements. In 2021 the Scottish Government wound up the SAAG. Here, in 2022, we have the shared outcomes assurance group. It strikes me that we have more groups than Eurovision and more directors than Hollywood, but this document might now be the one that works.

Looking back at that history, could you say what issues affected governance and what steps the Government is taking? Is the document the one that will get us to the point at which there will be sufficient assurance that appropriate governance and oversight arrangements are in place?

Public Audit Committee

“Planning for Skills”

Meeting date: 10 March 2022

Craig Hoy

Okay. Obviously, you will have looked at the directorates and the SFC. Do you believe that they have sufficient internal staffing capacity to support the skills alignment activities?

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 March 2022

Craig Hoy

Finally, are you not putting the cart before the horse with the particular measure in section 37? Would it not be better to pause, wait for the consultation, and then come back with further primary legislation as and when it is required?

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 March 2022

Craig Hoy

I have a couple of specific questions about the measures. You referred to the fact that the Government takes advice from the chief medical officer on protecting public health, and the regulations will flow from that. In relation to education and educational establishments in particular, there does not appear to be any requirement in the bill for any assessment to take place of the impact of an instrument made under the powers that may be exercised through the made affirmative procedure. Do you agree that it is important that those affected understand the impact of the regulations and that the information is accessible, clear and published in a timely manner? Would you consider amending the bill so that a requirement for such a process is included in it?

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 March 2022

Craig Hoy

Nor is shutting an educational boarding facility.

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 March 2022

Craig Hoy

Logic dictates one or the other. Either you want a statute book that gives you the capacity to do such things in certain defined circumstances or you do not. Mr Simpson and I are challenging the whole nature of the bill, because you are effectively passing into law certain powers that you would like to keep in the future—you tell us that you require them—and others that you say you are happy to let fall in 2025. By your own logic, you would surely want to keep in place the capacity to release prisoners.

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 March 2022

Craig Hoy

If your first priority is to safeguard the public, including those who are in prison, surely you would want to keep that power on the statute book to utilise at some point in the future.

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 March 2022

Craig Hoy

I am not sure that I necessarily follow the logic of that position.

Mr Simpson referred to the measures on private sector tenancies. The draft strategy consultation paper “A New Deal for Tenants” is out for consultation until 15 April 2022. I am slightly at a loss in working out why provisions that effectively pre-empt that consultation are included in the bill. Would it not be far better to remove those provisions from the bill and include them in future housing legislation, so that you can be cognisant of the consultation responses?

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 March 2022

Craig Hoy

Are you saying that it is politically unpalatable to extend the legislation beyond those points?

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 March 2022

Craig Hoy

I have two or three general questions before I go on to specific questions on the delegated measures. The bill will be on the statute book beyond the present Government’s time and, although I would not want to question this Government’s character or motivations, we are giving future Governments considerable powers. A lot of that rests on the definition of a public health emergency or threat. We know about Covid, but will you give us other examples of where a public health emergency or threat might arise?