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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 6 September 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Craig Hoy

You referred to the need to look more into departmental spending rather than look only at the headline figures in order to assess sustainability. The Scottish Government frequently says that there needs to be a pivot to preventative spend, particularly in relation to healthcare—indeed, the Scottish budget is predicated on that. Can you deploy any tools or benchmarks to assess whether there is actually a shift in portfolios towards preventative spending rather than dealing with the consequences of problems that are already there?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Craig Hoy

Politically, does the practice allow the Government, in effect, to announce the expenditure of the same money twice?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Craig Hoy

That is useful to know. Most of what I wanted to cover has been covered, but I want to ask about the old chestnut of in-year transfers across portfolios. In your submission, you repeat the argument that those transfers

“should be baselined rather than done on a recurring basis.”

You say that the Scottish Government should do that to allow more meaningful comparisons to be made across portfolios.

The cabinet secretary gave us her account of why that is not happening—she said that the money that is spent by schools that relates to health will first go into the health budget and then be transferred. Is that a decent reason for making such in-year transfers, or is there another reason why the Government likes having the ability to make such large cross-portfolio transfers?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Craig Hoy

I have a slightly more generic question, which relates to forecasting. What role is artificial intelligence likely to have in assisting you in the accuracy or the development of forecasting? Are you debating that in the organisation?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Craig Hoy

Good afternoon. Professor Bell, you identify what I think is probably a clear disconnect or discord between the budget and other initiatives, such as the programme for government and the national performance framework. In relation to economic growth, you observe that, in the budget this year, there was an allocation of £15 million for an enterprise package but, beyond that, there was very little investment in measures to encourage growth. You identify that, in real terms, Scottish Enterprise, Highlands and Islands Enterprise and South of Scotland Enterprise have, in effect, had their budgets cut. That leads you to say:

“The overall effect of budget measures on economic growth would be extremely complex to evaluate, but there is a strong case for combining relevant expenditures and discussing plausible scenarios as to how these expenditures might together influence the desired outcome”,

which is higher economic growth. In effect, the budget is bust without that. Who should be doing that work? Should it be the Scottish Government or the Scottish Fiscal Commission, or could it be Professor Spowage? Clearly, there is a need for that to happen, because the fundamentals of the budget are looking particularly dicey at the moment.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Craig Hoy

Super. Thanks very much.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Fiscal Commission

Meeting date: 1 April 2025

Craig Hoy

I have a follow-up question on diversity and inclusion based on the table that is part of paragraph 85 of the “Annual Report and Accounts for the year ended 31 March 2024”. On those who apply for roles in the organisation, it has numbers for the categories of male, female and those who prefer not to say, but you have not provided information on the numbers who were successful at interview or who agreed to start broken down by gender. The notation says that that is

“suppressed due to the small numbers involved.”

You can say that a total of five people were successful at interview. What is the threshold that prevents you from telling us what the gender make-up is of that number?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Fiscal Commission

Meeting date: 1 April 2025

Craig Hoy

On staffing numbers, if I am reading the figures correctly, you have about 20 staff.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Fiscal Commission

Meeting date: 1 April 2025

Craig Hoy

I got that impression.

In all Governments, including in the UK, I assume that there is merit in having a look at whether the structures are fit for purpose and as efficient and effective as possible. You came into being formally in 2016, which was a time when, politically, there was a sense of what I would call Scottish exceptionalism—other people might come to a different conclusion on that. Given the interdependence of and interconnectivity between the Scottish and the UK public finances, and given that the bodies that we have in the UK are not asymmetrical—that came up when we were in Belfast recently—is there merit in looking again at whether the structure that we have is the most effective and efficient one? Is there a case, for example, for considering somehow making the SFC part of the OBR, as its Scottish division? Would that not also perhaps have the merit of making you slightly more distant from the Scottish Government, which would address any underlying concerns about your independence from Government?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 1 April 2025

Craig Hoy

Super—thank you.