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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 25 October 2025
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

British Sign Language Inquiry

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

Tess White

Thank you. My questions are for Lucy Clark. We have just covered a question about exclusion and support services in rural areas. People in rural areas experience a sense of isolation and linguistic and social exclusion. You said that we have only three BSL-trained domestic abuse advisers in Scotland. Where are they located?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

British Sign Language Inquiry

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

Tess White

Thank you. I said that I had asked Lucy a final question, but I have one more before I move to Rachel O’Neill.

The witnesses in the previous panel told us that transportation is a huge issue for people in rural areas, such as those who, for example, need to get to Dundee but cannot get on a bus to go to the town centre. The issue of digital exclusion was also raised, and we heard about problems with people accessing Zoom and so on. What are your thoughts on those issues?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

British Sign Language Inquiry

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

Tess White

You are saying they are available in England but we do not have them in Scotland. Professor Napier, do you want to come in on that?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

British Sign Language Inquiry

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

Tess White

I have one final question. Rachel O’Neill, you said that colleges could do more if there were a bit of a plan but that there are only two colleges in the whole of Scotland that are doing quite well with regard to the levels of BSL on offer. However, even if there is a plan, how can they train more teachers if they do not have any more funding?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

British Sign Language Inquiry

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

Tess White

Still on the rural theme, I will touch upon what Avril Hepner said about Aberdeen as well as your experience, Alana, in terms of Deaf Links, which covers not only Dundee but Angus and Perth and Kinross.

The 2022 census shows that, in local authorities in the north of Scotland and the Highlands and Islands, the number of BSL users is slightly higher than the Scotland average. You have talked about the challenges of not having sufficient teachers or sufficient trainers, but is that the main challenge that you find in your area in the north-east?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

British Sign Language Inquiry

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

Tess White

It is interesting that you say that, because in our notes, it says that in Aberdeenshire, there are only interpreters—there are no trainers. If we look outside the central belt, what you are saying is that there is an issue with interpreters. Another huge issue is that there are no trainers and no training programme. You talk about people having their life chances reduced; for people in Aberdeenshire, their life chances are definitely reduced.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

British Sign Language Inquiry

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

Tess White

If representatives of colleges were here now, they would say that colleges are on their knees, so—

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

British Sign Language Inquiry

Meeting date: 3 June 2025

Tess White

Thank you. I especially thank you, Lucy. I realise that giving that evidence in front of a committee was probably difficult, but it is a very important topic.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Civil Legal Aid Inquiry

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Tess White

I have two questions for Mr Lancaster. We have heard that finding a solicitor to help the most vulnerable people in domestic abuse cases, particularly where they are experiencing financial abuse, is almost like trying to find hens’ teeth. Women, especially, have had to look at or approach around 100 solicitors to find help. Are you concerned about that?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Civil Legal Aid Inquiry

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Tess White

I suggest that you have more power and influence than you think. You can sit down with the Law Society and talk to it about the pool of solicitors, and influence the universities. A few weeks ago, we heard how, during the Covid pandemic, places were provided to trainee solicitors for early entry into the profession to undertake the type of work that we are discussing. However, that seems to have dried up. I almost feel that you have given up when you say, “It doesn’t lie with me—I can’t do anything about it.” You actually can do something about it.

The system is broken and overly complex, and there are not enough solicitors. People are having to phone not just 30 solicitors, but more, and we are hearing about women who have experienced domestic abuse, who are homeless and have suffered financial abuse, and who have nowhere to go. If the situation is so bad—as it seems to be, because we are hearing evidence of that—what is stopping you sitting down with the Law Society and looking at the number of solicitors who are being trained? Does that number need to be increased? What areas of work are the solicitors going into? How many of them are doing legal aid? Should we provide certain funded positions, as was done during Covid? I put it back to you that to sit down with the Law Society, and work out some solutions and come up with some ideas, might be a way forward.