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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 14 May 2025
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Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 20 December 2022

Tess White

The convener of the Finance and Public Administration Committee, Kenneth Gibson, said that, with the bill, it seems that the Government is

“using a sledgehammer to crack a nut”.—[Official Report, Finance and Public Administration Committee, 25 October 2022, c 24.]

With members of your party and the finance committee raising concerns about the spending in relation to the bill, how can you possibly justify the costs? I thought that it was £1.3 billion, but you actually said this morning that it is £1.4 billion, and that is not including terms and conditions of employment and benefits. Some even say that the bill is an open cheque book.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 20 December 2022

Tess White

I ask this question wearing three hats: as a member of the committee; as a representative of a largely rural area; and as a fellow of the Chartered Institute of Personnel and Development with experience of legislation such as the Transfer of Undertakings (Protection of Employment) Regulations—TUPE.

Have you considered the cost of harmonising the terms and conditions? I accept your saying that not all the 74,000 employees will transition under TUPE, but a large chunk of them could. Even increasing mileage rates from 45p a mile to 65p a mile—that figure was given to us by some witnesses—will cost millions of pounds, not to mention harmonising sickness and pension benefits, which will go into the billions. Are you really serious about wanting to transition to a central service—referring to what you said in your opening remarks—or are the proposals a power grab, plain and simple, to centralise services with a view to taking budgets away from local councils?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 13 December 2022

Tess White

You have said that palliative and end-of-life care is a big omission, and you have argued that people approaching the end of life are, by far, the biggest single group of people who receive social care. It would be helpful if you could comment further on that.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 13 December 2022

Tess White

That is alarming.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 13 December 2022

Tess White

I have just one key question, which is for Mark Hazelwood. The SPPC has said that the bill’s principles do not take into account people who still need care but who have no hope or expectation of a cure. If the issue is not addressed, what consequences will that, in your opinion, have for those patients?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 13 December 2022

Tess White

I have a question for Dr Manji and Cathie Russell. Is there a lack of ambition in the implementation of Anne’s law? Are you satisfied with the pace of change?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 December 2022

Tess White

It may have been my interpretation, so that is really helpful; thank you.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 December 2022

Tess White

My question is for Andy Miller. The SCLD has said that some areas of the bill

“are within the scope for co-design, while other areas are not.”

What areas do you feel are not subject to co-design?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage1

Meeting date: 29 November 2022

Tess White

No.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage1

Meeting date: 29 November 2022

Tess White

I have one question for Fanchea Kelly and Margaret McCarthy. The Scottish Care chief executive, Donald Macaskill, has estimated that 30 to 40 per cent of the country’s residential adult care facilities might close permanently because of the immediate challenges that they face. In your opinion, would the projected £1.3 billion that is earmarked for the national care service be better invested in the local delivery of social care now?

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