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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee
Meeting date: 11 March 2025
Tess White
Thank you very much. You talked about public sector organisations not really having a good understanding of their equality duties. Has Scottish Trans sought legal input on the advice and guidance that it has given to public sector bodies?
Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee
Meeting date: 11 March 2025
Tess White
What about Age Scotland?
Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee
Meeting date: 11 March 2025
Tess White
Jill, is it your organisation’s view that the law should permit employers and service providers to exclude all trans women from women-only spaces? Will you give a simple yes or no answer, please?
Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee
Meeting date: 11 March 2025
Tess White
Okay. I will move to my second question, convener. In its submission to the committee, the LGB Alliance says that
“unclear definitions of sex, women, men, gay and straight, make it difficult for public authorities to actively meet their responsibilities under”
the PSED. Jill, do you agree with the LGB Alliance that a lack of clarity around the definitions of sex and women has resulted in poor compliance with the PSED?
Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee
Meeting date: 11 March 2025
Tess White
Do you accept that failures by public bodies to meet their existing legal obligations around single-sex spaces will carry a significant cost to the public purse?
Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee
Meeting date: 11 March 2025
Tess White
Okay—you cannot comment. This is my fourth question, and I have two more questions to ask after it. The First Minister has emphasised that it is currently possible to exclude a trans woman from a women-only space on a case-by-case basis. Do you believe that that is practicable in the public sector, and what about the risk of women self-excluding from spaces and services because they cannot be certain that they are male free?
Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee
Meeting date: 11 March 2025
Tess White
That would be helpful. My next question is on something that Engender has highlighted, which is the importance of data. Given your organisation’s support for self-identification, what analysis have you done around women self-excluding from spaces and services—and, as my colleague Pam Gosal said, what about women of faith self-excluding?
Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee
Meeting date: 11 March 2025
Tess White
Do you accept that clarity of data on protected characteristics is important?
Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee
Meeting date: 11 March 2025
Tess White
This is my final question, convener. If you are calling for better data, it is absolutely critical that data on the protected characteristics is clear and that the definitions are clear. How can you manage that if you do not measure properly?
Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee
Meeting date: 11 March 2025
Tess White
It is an interpretation of the law that is based on advice that you have been given.