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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 12 July 2025
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Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 8 October 2024

Tess White

In your opinion, will the national care service help people in care homes who are receiving care?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 8 October 2024

Tess White

My question is for Dr Elder-Woodward. You have referred to King Lear and the people working in social care who have to

“bide the pelting of this pitiless storm”,

and you also say that the current system is, like King Lear, “broken and unjust”. You also said that the national care service could have been

“an opportunity to reassess the role of councils”.

That was your opinion. Will you elaborate on that and say how, if the Scottish Government were to go back to the drawing board, particularly bearing in mind the fact that COSLA and the STUC have pulled their support, councils might help to move things forward or restructure them?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 8 October 2024

Tess White

Councillor Kelly, in your opinion, how can the national care service go ahead without the co-operation of COSLA?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 8 October 2024

Tess White

I have one follow-up question. Many councils do not want the national care service anyway, and there will be huge issues if COSLA is bypassed and the Scottish Government goes directly to councils. I was looking at the written submissions, and Aberdeenshire Council asked whether staff retention, attraction and retention and pay could be focused on. If COSLA continues with withdrawal of its support and the councils do not support the bill and its proposed implementation, is it completely dead in the water?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 8 October 2024

Tess White

So, you are saying that COSLA and everyone else has forgotten the people element—the service users—and that we almost need to have a complete paradigm shift and go back to the Feeley report and the people who are receiving the care, and build up from that, rather than have what you describe as a power grab. Is that correct?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 1 October 2024

Tess White

My first question is for Karen Reid. Karen, what do you understand as being the purpose of the proposed national care service board, and to what extent would it support the shared accountability arrangements?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 1 October 2024

Tess White

You talk about a fragmented system, with the NCS board and the NHS board, but it seems to me that the poor relative in all of this is primary healthcare. That sort of healthcare is at the front end of things and should have more investment, but the bill could mean that it gets left further behind.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 1 October 2024

Tess White

For the bill to work, would you say that primary healthcare needs further support, too?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 1 October 2024

Tess White

Thank you. Isla, you say in your submission that the bill

“does not contain provisions to strengthen co-operation between the national care boards and local authorities.”

Is it possible to expand on that?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 1 October 2024

Tess White

Do not worry; we will move on.