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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 6 February 2026
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Tess White

My second question builds on what my colleague Dr Gosal talked about in relation to capacity. The bill is looking to give very young children the ability to make decisions, when the age of capacity is usually 16. My understanding is that a child is legally allowed to be left alone at age 12 and that there is a different age for when a child is allowed to be left overnight. Therefore, the law must be very clear.

Professor O’Hagan talked about access to justice. If there is a conflict, will legal aid need to be provided to children if they disagree with their parents? I understand that the age at which a child has the capacity to access legal aid is 12. My point is that the law must be clear, as the starting point in the bill is that the child has capacity. Professor Sutherland, what is your view? I know that it is very complicated, but the law must be clear.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Children (Withdrawal from Religious Education and Amendment of UNCRC Compatibility Duty) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Tess White

I have two questions and will address my first one to Professor O’Hagan. You have just talked about the intent of the bill and Dr Hill talked about the lack of a scoping exercise. We looked at three local authorities and our data shows that, of 700,000 pupils, 143 pupils withdrew from RO only, nine pupils withdrew from RME and 61 pupils withdrew from both. Why not wait until the Scottish human rights bill and do it all properly? We have four legal experts here who support the view that the bill is a sticking plaster. So, Professor O’Hagan, why not just wait until the Scottish human rights bill?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Tess White

I am an MSP for North East Scotland.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Tess White

I will start with Angela O’Hagan, if I may. My question links to the previous one from Maggie Chapman. Angela, you have given a few concrete examples, but the question is how, in your view, has the progress against the progressive realisation of human rights in Scotland been impacted by delays to strategy, policy and legislation, such as the decision not to implement revisions to the national outcomes and the decision not introduce the human rights bill in this parliamentary session? Those things have been kicked down the road. What is your view on that?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Tess White

After this session, we will have the Cabinet Secretary for Finance and Local Government and the Minister for Equalities in front of the committee. You said that there needs to be a drive from the committee—from the Parliament—and the Scottish Government. In relation to the question, what would you like us to address when the cabinet secretary and the minister come in front of us?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Tess White

Okay. Thank you.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Tess White

I hear you, minister. I am not disputing what you say about organisations such as the Scottish Refugee Council and the need to ensure that people who are the most marginalised have a voice, but this committee is about scrutiny and accountability. Today’s session is about accountability, and you cannot delegate accountability.

It has recently been reported that, since 2017, the SNP Government has given £20 million of handouts from the public purse—taxpayers’ money—to third sector organisations that support self-identification. My question to the minister, and to the cabinet secretary, is: will Scottish ministers commit to working with Inspiring Scotland and other relevant parties to withdraw funding from groups that promote unlawful policies? Some of the policies that they are promoting are not only unsafe but unlawful.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Tess White

You have not answered the question. You said earlier that you will look at organisations that are not spending the money where you have directed that they spend the money, which is laudable and important, because it is taxpayers’ money. On the £20 million, the question was: will you make sure that funding is withdrawn from organisations that are breaking the law? Will you ask Inspiring Scotland, which is your fund manager, to make sure that it does a stock check of those organisations that are breaking the law? That is the question.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Tess White

In the previous evidence session, we heard the Scottish Human Rights Commission talk about quality assurance. Will the Scottish Government—you are the cabinet secretary, and we have the minister here, too—ensure that there is quality assurance so that the organisations that you fund are not operating unlawfully? That is my final question.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Tess White

I will pass back to the convener.