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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 16 May 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee

Management of Transgender Prisoners

Meeting date: 11 January 2024

Maggie Chapman

My final question follows on from earlier questions. If a transgender prisoner is convicted of a crime that has absolutely nothing to do with violence of a sexual or other nature, what is the process for deciding which estate they will be sent to?

Criminal Justice Committee

Management of Transgender Prisoners

Meeting date: 11 January 2024

Maggie Chapman

But, in doing so, you will take into account the issues that are expressed.

Criminal Justice Committee

Management of Transgender Prisoners

Meeting date: 11 January 2024

Maggie Chapman

Thank you—that was helpful.

Criminal Justice Committee

Management of Transgender Prisoners

Meeting date: 11 January 2024

Maggie Chapman

Good afternoon, and thank you for being here. I have a quick follow-up to Fulton MacGregor’s question. Will there be an opportunity to scrutinise or have a look at the guidance that you mentioned before it comes into operation, if that makes sense?

Criminal Justice Committee

Management of Transgender Prisoners

Meeting date: 11 January 2024

Maggie Chapman

Okay—thank you.

I have a couple of other questions. The first, which is on data, is a follow-up to Rona Mackay’s question. You indicated that you will take a snapshot sample to see how decisions have been made in order to ensure consistency. Given the numbers involved, would it not be better to take an overall look at all the data across the whole estate, to better understand not only the consistency of the policy’s application but the impacts on trans prisoners and other prisoners, and to do so on a regular basis, instead of just taking a snapshot after a year?

Criminal Justice Committee

Management of Transgender Prisoners

Meeting date: 11 January 2024

Maggie Chapman

Yes.

Criminal Justice Committee

Management of Transgender Prisoners

Meeting date: 11 January 2024

Maggie Chapman

Would instances of that happening be recorded?

Criminal Justice Committee

Management of Transgender Prisoners

Meeting date: 11 January 2024

Maggie Chapman

Thank you for that. Things will change over the operation of the plan, as society changes, so it would be useful to have on-going monitoring and evaluation of the policy.

I also want to ask about the searching of prisoners and visitors. The policy refers to the searching of visitors. When do you envisage that that would be necessary? When might a visitor be searched by a member of prison staff of a different gender from that of the visitor?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (North-east and Moray)

Meeting date: 10 January 2024

Maggie Chapman

I suppose—

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (North-east and Moray)

Meeting date: 10 January 2024

Maggie Chapman

This is a particular point: engagement happens, communities tell the Government what they want or what they think should happen, but nothing changes. We must address that problem. It is linked to a sense that communities can jump up and down all they like, but it is the usual suspects who get their way. I heard what you said about needing to see progress and change and then people will realise the benefits, but I am not sure that communities are clear how that change will happen with their involvement or how it will not just be the usual suspects—the players who are already active and powerful in the region—who have the final word, if you like.