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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 16 July 2025
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Interests

Meeting date: 8 October 2024

Maggie Chapman

Good morning, and welcome to the 21st meeting of 2024, in session 6, of the Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee.

We have apologies from Evelyn Tweed. I therefore welcome to the meeting Elena Whitham, who is attending our meeting remotely as Evelyn’s substitute. You are very welcome, Elena.

Our first agenda item is to invite Elena Whitham to declare any relevant items of interest.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 8 October 2024

Maggie Chapman

Our second agenda item is to agree whether to take item 11, which is consideration of today’s evidence on the human rights (Scotland) bill, in private. Do we agree to do so?

Members indicated agreement.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Human Rights (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 8 October 2024

Maggie Chapman

Our third item is an evidence session on the delayed human rights (Scotland) bill. I welcome to the meeting Shirley-Anne Somerville, Cabinet Secretary for Social Justice, who is accompanied by supporting Scottish Government officials Kavita Chetty, deputy director of human rights and mainstreaming, and Trevor Owen, head of the human rights strategy and legislation unit. Thank you for joining us this morning.

I refer members to papers 1 and 2, and invite the cabinet secretary to make a brief opening statement.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Human Rights (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 8 October 2024

Maggie Chapman

Annie Wells wants to come in to make a similar point.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Human Rights (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 1 October 2024

Maggie Chapman

Thank you for joining us this morning.

We had conversations with the previous panel of stakeholders about the difference that human rights legislation can make to communities and to individuals. I am interested in your views on the difference that a bill in this space—human rights incorporation into Scots law—will make to people’s lives. I suppose that part of the question is to ask where—within the current landscape of policy design, legislation and all of that—you see gaps or failures of the system to deal with issues that people have around realising their rights. Alan Miller, I will start with you.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Human Rights (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 1 October 2024

Maggie Chapman

May I unpick that a little bit and maybe broaden it out? You are saying that without accountability people would not have the legal right to health, which seems like a pretty stark statement. We are in the 21st century in a country that says that it takes the human rights of its citizens and all who live here seriously, so where are the gaps in the legislative landscape or the policy landscape? Are they around accountability? Are they around implementation? Are they around design? How have we got things so wrong for the people whom the charter that you have spoken of is designed to help, and for other people including disabled people, people of colour and other groups of people whose rights have not been realised?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Human Rights (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 1 October 2024

Maggie Chapman

That is helpful. Katie, can I come to you?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Human Rights (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 1 October 2024

Maggie Chapman

Thank you.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Human Rights (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 1 October 2024

Maggie Chapman

Thank you. I turn to John Wilkes. What difference do you think that such a bill could or should make to Scotland?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Human Rights (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 1 October 2024

Maggie Chapman

Do you want to say anything more about the powers, or should I move seamlessly on to Angela O’Hagan?