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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 16 July 2025
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Human Rights (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 8 October 2024

Maggie Chapman

Okay. Thank you.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Human Rights (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 8 October 2024

Maggie Chapman

Thanks, Paul. I call Marie McNair.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Human Rights (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 8 October 2024

Maggie Chapman

I want to understand a bit more the tracker tool that you referred to in your opening remarks. You talked about using the time between now and the election in 2026 to build the capacity of those in the public sector to collect data and understand their obligations and duties, and to develop a tracker that would allow us to monitor our performance against international treaty obligations. Will you say a bit more about that?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 8 October 2024

Maggie Chapman

Good morning, minister, and thank you for the letter that you sent last week and for your statement this morning. I will ask a couple of questions to delve into the costs in a bit more detail. You mentioned in your statement the cost recovery figure falling to 57 per cent. The most recent figure that I could find was for 2017, when cost recovery was 87 per cent. It seems to me that more than just inflation is going on. Can you say a bit more about that change?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 8 October 2024

Maggie Chapman

I appreciate what you say, but at no point in the past three years has inflation approached 20 per cent. Even if the fees are lower in absolute terms, it is a pretty steep increase. I do not see evidence for that increase. The consultation document talks about CPI being 5.4 per cent last year and 0.6 per cent this year, and the retail prices index being 8.1 per cent last year and 1.2 per cent this year—those are the Scottish Government’s figures in its consultation document. Given that we have already had a 2 per cent rise this year, I do not see how we can justify a 20 per cent in-year increase.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 8 October 2024

Maggie Chapman

I have a final question—well, maybe it is a statement rather than a question. Last week, we were told by people who support citizens who are seeking justice that quite a lot of them fall through the cracks of legal aid. You said that, if people are struggling, they will be covered by legal aid, but they are often not covered by legal aid, either because the professionals do not exist in areas where they are needed or because people need to travel to find that legal aid support. Therefore, I am sorry, but I simply do not agree that legal aid provides the cushion that you have claimed that it does, given how patchy access to legal aid is across Scotland.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 8 October 2024

Maggie Chapman

Okay. I will leave it there.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 8 October 2024

Maggie Chapman

Convener, that is a direct question to me. Do you want me to answer?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 8 October 2024

Maggie Chapman

Okay.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 8 October 2024

Maggie Chapman

I will not say anything further.

Motion moved,

That the Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee recommends that the Sheriff Appeal Court Fees Order 2024 (SSI 2024/236) be annulled.—[Maggie Chapman]