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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 5 November 2025
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Post-legislative Scrutiny

Meeting date: 24 June 2025

Maggie Chapman

The committee has just completed an inquiry into legal aid provision. One challenge that was raised was about the ability of victims/survivors to access legal aid. Were conversations happening at the time about what was available, given concerns about geographic variations?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Post-legislative Scrutiny

Meeting date: 24 June 2025

Maggie Chapman

Okay. I am not sure who wants to take my next question. Given the consultation that is to come and what we know about other structures that need to connect to the process, such as legal aid provision and the training and support that people who are to take evidence from children will need, what lessons can we learn in order to ensure that we are not back here in another year or two, having asked for and got more information and made promises to people, but still unable to deliver DAPOs?

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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Post-legislative Scrutiny

Meeting date: 24 June 2025

Maggie Chapman

To clarify, are you talking about the costs involved in implementation for all the partner agencies such as the courts and the police?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Post-legislative Scrutiny

Meeting date: 24 June 2025

Maggie Chapman

Good morning, minister. Thank you for being here. I will dig a little bit deeper into what you have said.

You talked about the legal and technical changes, including sorting out different procedures, and about the distinct IT systems of the criminal and civil courts. How many of those challenges were discussed or excavated at earlier stages, prior to the passage of the act and its achieving royal assent? It seems that some of those challenges should have been obvious. What work was done to understand the scope of the challenges and how they would be dealt with? Why is it that we are dealing with working groups only now?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Post-legislative Scrutiny

Meeting date: 24 June 2025

Maggie Chapman

That is helpful. My final point is that training and awareness raising cannot be a one-off event; it has to be an on-going process, and the training has to be embedded in the professional training that different professionals go through—that might even involve accreditation. We probably all need to bear in mind that it cannot be a one-off event. The act’s provisions might be implemented, but on-going training is really important.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Post-legislative Scrutiny

Meeting date: 24 June 2025

Maggie Chapman

I have heard quite clearly about the work that is going on, particularly work on the statutory guidance and the cross-agency work, which pulls people in from a range of organisations, agencies and beyond.

Maybe I missed this point, but, given the engagement around children’s rights—the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child is still a very new and live thing—what involvement has the Children and Young People’s Commissioner and her office had in the discussions? I want to hear reassurance that we are not reinventing the wheel. If good conversations are happening already, can we learn from them so that we do not replicate things, and so speed up implementation?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

British Sign Language Inquiry

Meeting date: 17 June 2025

Maggie Chapman

Good morning. Thank you for joining us today.

I want to pick up on some of the things that you have been talking about. Professor Kusters, in response to Tess White’s questions, you talked about resourcing and the disparity between the number of people who are BSL users and the number of people who speak Gaelic, and the funding that follows. Or than just hoping for more money, are there ways that the resources that are available could be used more effectively? I think that there are challenges. We have heard about education and the lack of understanding of the culture of BSL. How do we do better with the resources that we have?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

British Sign Language Inquiry

Meeting date: 17 June 2025

Maggie Chapman

Thanks, Stacey. That is helpful.

My final question is for Dr Adam and Professor Kusters. It seems that, as we have been talking this morning, questions have been arising for us about what goes into national and local plans and the watering down of the second national plan as compared to the first. It also seems to me that what is in the national plan does not necessarily get at the things that Dr Adam was talking about, such as training more BSL users to be counsellors, teachers, educators—a whole range of people in communities—and not just interpreters or translators. Are there ways that we can join things up a bit better and close that gap?

Although there are questions, clearly, about measurement and accountability with regard to the plans, there is something missing if all we are doing is measuring the numbers of interpreters. That does not change the numbers of people who have BSL as a first language who are teachers or nurses, or who are doing other things in society, not just doing things specifically as BSL users, interpreters and translators.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

British Sign Language Inquiry

Meeting date: 17 June 2025

Maggie Chapman

Thank you. There is something in that culture piece that I hope we can tease out, not only with Kate Forbes but in our report. Thank you for that.

I will ask Stacey Gourlay and Rachel Tardito that same question of resourcing. Do you see prioritisation being effective? How would you allocate resources differently?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

British Sign Language Inquiry

Meeting date: 17 June 2025

Maggie Chapman

Stacey, is there anything that you want to add to that?