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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 14 July 2025
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 June 2022

Maggie Chapman

I will come to you, finally, Fraser Sutherland. In your opening remarks, you said that autonomy is really important. How do you see that medicalisation of the process interacting with the notion of autonomy, if at all?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 June 2022

Maggie Chapman

Great; thank you.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 June 2022

Maggie Chapman

You said that it is an effective means of engaging people in policy making. Does that link to your point about, in essence, what data is for? We use data in order to inform and change society for the better, rather than its having any intrinsic value in and of itself. Is that more or less what you are saying?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 June 2022

Maggie Chapman

Okay. Do you anticipate that you will determine what to include once the bill is at stage 3? In any process, will you seek clarification around, for example, any evidence that is required?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 June 2022

Maggie Chapman

I will follow up on a couple of things that witnesses have said. It might be appropriate for Robert Strachan to come in here, but that is up to you. James Kerr mentioned that the gender identity and gender reassignment policy is up for review; can you explain that? Has the periodic cycle of reviews led to the current review, or have issues or concerns triggered that at this time? I will come back in on something else related to that, but could you start with that question?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 June 2022

Maggie Chapman

Finally, do you see any potential issue if there is divergence between how the Scottish Prison Service deals with GRCs—and gender reassignment more generally—and how things happen elsewhere in the UK? Given the changes that have happened south of the border, if divergence happens, do you see any problems?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 June 2022

Maggie Chapman

Kevin Guyan, thank you for your comments so far. In your opening remarks, you talked about data not being neutral, and in response to one of Rachael Hamilton’s questions you said that we are drowning in evidence for reform of the Gender Recognition Act 2004.

Will you comment in more detail on specific public policy areas? Rachael Hamilton touched on a few. A few weeks ago, we heard from the Equality and Human Rights Commission that we need to pause and consider how the proposed reform of the GRA would impact the collection and use of data. Given the numbers that we are talking about and what we actually use data for, will you talk in a little more detail about the policy implications? What is the material reality of the bill as it stands, in that regard?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 June 2022

Maggie Chapman

I was asking about the material reality—the consequences for policy.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 June 2022

Maggie Chapman

Thank you. I will leave it there.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 June 2022

Maggie Chapman

Thank you for that, Karen.

Chris, in your opening statement, you talked about the concerns about the impact of the bill as it currently stands on other protected characteristics. Can you say a little bit more about that?