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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 20 July 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 30 January 2024

Douglas Lumsden

Obviously, as you said earlier, we must make progress on climate change, so the budget is surprising. The figures that we have from the Scottish Parliament information centre show that, in real terms, the budget is up for resource and capital together. However, the transport, net zero and just transition budget is down by 1.8 per cent in real terms. Lines for elements such as agri-environmental measures and woodland grants have had a huge cut.

You have said that we must make progress on climate change, but how can we make progress when there are cuts to the overall transport, net zero and just transition budget? In addition, as we heard at the start of the meeting, the climate change assessment figures of the budget are incorrect. How do we match those two things together?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 30 January 2024

Douglas Lumsden

We can argue about funding, because your overall budget has gone up. It goes back to the point that you have chosen where to make savings. It also goes back to the point that Monica Lennon made: if you are serious about net zero and climate change, you surely have to prioritise these types of budgets at this time. By putting them down to zero or cutting them, you are not really credible, are you?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 30 January 2024

Douglas Lumsden

I am on to my next question, which is about where demand might grow. The deadline has passed for local authorities to publish their local heat and energy efficiency strategies. Will you reflect on the role that those strategies will play in heat decarbonisation? I imagine that they will highlight where a lot of the funding will be required.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 30 January 2024

Douglas Lumsden

Is there any feedback from local authorities? Why are they late? Do they have a problem with funding? What is the hold-up?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 30 January 2024

Douglas Lumsden

Thank you.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 30 January 2024

Douglas Lumsden

Even the Scottish Fiscal Commission’s figures show that, in real terms, your budget is 0.9 per cent bigger. That is why it seems surprising to me that, although we see an increase in many budgets, there are cuts to the transport, net zero and just transition budget and the rural affairs, land reform and islands budget. Those are political decisions that you have taken that might hinder our response to climate change.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 30 January 2024

Douglas Lumsden

Will the woodland grants cut help or hinder climate change?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 30 January 2024

Douglas Lumsden

As a Government, you can move money from the resource budget to the capital budget. The SPICe briefing shows that the resource and capital budgets have been increased in real terms, so you could make the switch and keep capital funding at the level that it was at—you could even increase it if you chose to do so.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 30 January 2024

Douglas Lumsden

There was a commitment to invest £200 million in the railway by 2026 to reduce travel times between Aberdeen and the central belt, but very little of that money has been spent so far and there is no mention of that in the infrastructure investment plan either. Can you give a guarantee that journey times between Aberdeen and the central belt will be reduced by 20 minutes by 2026?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 30 January 2024

Douglas Lumsden

It is strange to say that you are committed to something but that you are reviewing it. If you are reviewing it, it either will or will not happen. Can you give any assurance?