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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 13 March 2026
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Meeting of the Parliament (Hybrid)

Covid-19 Vaccine Certification Scheme

Meeting date: 9 September 2021

Douglas Lumsden

Vaccine passports are a contentious issue that has raised a substantial amount of correspondence from individuals and businesses across North East Scotland. People are expressing a huge amount of anxiety about the pace of, and the lack of consultation on, the scheme, the form that the passports will take and the impact that they will have on businesses and those who attend events.

The SNP-Green Government’s screeching U-turn has led to confusion, chaos and concern for many of my constituents, born out of a deep distrust of the devolved Government and its ability to deliver projects. We have already seen the fiasco over the new information technology system for the farming sector and the promising of apps that were never delivered. Businesses and citizens simply do not trust the devolved Government to implement a system that works for them and their customers, particularly when they have not been consulted on that sudden U-turn.

A year ago, the Conservatives called for a business panel to be established to be a sounding board for the Government on Covid measures. That never happened and I am positive that, on reflection, the minister is now wishing that he had listened to the Conservatives and implemented such a business panel, so that we could have heard what businesses need instead of working through what looks like a dog’s dinner of a policy without the knowledge of business on the ground.

This devolved Government has a habit of talking down to business and telling it what is best rather than listening to understand its needs and requirements. In my discussion with business leaders, this is what I have been told. I have been contacted by the chairman of a football club, who said:

“clubs with over 10,000 attending are going to be severely challenged financially. We have already had a huge number of season ticket holders state that if we force them to get vaccinated, they want their money back. We have done everything not to make anyone redundant at the club. Our initial estimate is that this will cost us at least £1.5 million in lost income.”

Clubs have gone through all the pre-season planning, jumped through all the hoops, put in place Covid measures and adhered to all the guidelines, but with this ill-thought-out policy the Government is putting all of that in jeopardy.

Meeting of the Parliament (Hybrid)

Covid-19 Vaccine Certification Scheme

Meeting date: 9 September 2021

Douglas Lumsden

We heard earlier from Douglas Ross that getting test and protect working would be more effective.

When I read the proposals—if we can call them proposals—I can understand the concerns that football clubs have. The paper says that staff at a venue can download a free QR code verifier. Has anyone from the Government ever been to a football match? There is not one orderly queue for 50,000 people; there are hundreds of turnstiles, most of which are unmanned. There is not a guy at each turnstile with an app on a phone.

A couple of days after the regulations are due to come into force, four matches will be affected. The proposal will be a hammer blow to those clubs that have already suffered hugely during the past 18 months—[Interruption.]

Meeting of the Parliament (Hybrid)

Covid-19 Vaccine Certification Scheme

Meeting date: 9 September 2021

Douglas Lumsden

If the Government does force this measure through today, I urge it to work closely with those clubs and not hang them out to dry.

The Night Time Industries Association has also written to MSPs and put forward some helpful suggestions on how the impact of the policy could be mitigated. It asks the Government to pause and reflect on where the numbers are going. As the First Minister suggested yesterday, the case numbers might have peaked and are now starting to fall again, so surely it is premature to bring the policy in quickly and without the necessary infrastructure in place.

The NTIA also raised with me another issue that is also touched on in the proposal, and that is the definition of a nightclub. The Government does not have a definition for them yet, so I suspect that many pubs will be in for a big nasty surprise.

Meeting of the Parliament (Hybrid)

Portfolio Question Time

Meeting date: 9 September 2021

Douglas Lumsden

 

6.

To ask the Scottish Government, in light of its co-operation agreement with the Scottish Green Party, whether it will provide an update on its position on maintaining the monarch as the head of state in an independent Scotland. (S6O-00120)

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2022-23: Public Finances and the Impact of Covid-19

Meeting date: 7 September 2021

Douglas Lumsden

We are all hoping that the numbers are just a spike because people are stuck indoors, perhaps with fewer things to do. I guess that, in the coming years, we will see whether they come down to the levels that they were at before, and then fall—I hope—even lower still.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2022-23: Public Finances and the Impact of Covid-19

Meeting date: 7 September 2021

Douglas Lumsden

I would say that that was about what is required in the budget going forward. However, that is me finished.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2022-23: Public Finances and the Impact of Covid-19

Meeting date: 7 September 2021

Douglas Lumsden

With regard to Laura Mahon’s recommendation that the level of minimum unit pricing be increased, is there a risk that such a move might increase poverty among some of the most vulnerable in our society?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2022-23: Public Finances and the Impact of Covid-19

Meeting date: 7 September 2021

Douglas Lumsden

I want to go back to non-domestic rates and empty properties. I am from the north-east of Scotland and, over the past few years, I have been concerned about the number of commercial properties—I would not call them old properties—that are being knocked down just to save on non-domestic rates. Knocking down new premises has an impact on the environment as well as on the valuation roll. Do you agree and, if so, what can be done over the next couple of years to mitigate that situation?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2022-23: Public Finances and the Impact of Covid-19

Meeting date: 7 September 2021

Douglas Lumsden

I thank the witnesses for their submissions. In his submission, John Dickie says:

“Evidence from our Cost of the School Day project shows that charging for curriculum materials, lack of digital devices and connectivity, the cost of school trips, uniform policies, transport and school meal costs ... exclude young people from learning”.

To be honest, I thought that local government and the Scottish Government were doing quite well in that area. Should they be doing more, or is this a case of differences in different parts of the country?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2022-23: Public Finances and the Impact of Covid-19

Meeting date: 7 September 2021

Douglas Lumsden

My next question is for Adam Stachura. You mention older workers in your submission. There is a risk that many of these older workers might not come back to work once furlough ends. Do you think that the Government can do more to ensure that those workers are welcomed back into employment and given meaningful jobs for as long as they want them?