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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 9 February 2026
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Transport Policies and Performance

Meeting date: 7 October 2025

Douglas Lumsden

Are you saying that the 700 services per day that were cancelled for three months last year do not feed into the cancellation statistics?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Sustainable Aviation Fuel Bill

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Douglas Lumsden

Okay. My next question takes me back to a subject that Mark Ruskell raised. I think that you said that no work has been done on surplus feedstock or where all the feedstock is going to come from. Is that correct?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Sustainable Aviation Fuel Bill

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Douglas Lumsden

What are other countries doing when it comes to SAF production? We mentioned Europe, but what about China and the US? From our papers, I can see that we import a huge amount of used cooking oil from China. Does China not require that for its own SAF production? What are other countries doing in that area?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Sustainable Aviation Fuel Bill

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Douglas Lumsden

Thank you. I have one other question. Earlier, we took evidence about Grangemouth and looked at e-fertilisers. One problem that was identified was that green hydrogen production is too expensive at present. In France, where they have a lot of nuclear, they produce hydrogen at a much lower cost than we do. When we are looking to produce e-fuels in future, will it be a problem for us that our costs will be too high because our hydrogen production is currently too expensive?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Sustainable Aviation Fuel Bill

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Douglas Lumsden

Does anybody else want to comment on the costs?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Sustainable Aviation Fuel Bill

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Douglas Lumsden

So, with 100 per cent SAF, we are looking at an increase of 3 to 12 percentage points.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Sustainable Aviation Fuel Bill

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Douglas Lumsden

Will the bill produce the policies that we need to stimulate both demand for and supply of SAF?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Sustainable Aviation Fuel Bill

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Douglas Lumsden

As you said, it is expensive in the short term. Is the bill a way of getting that money to invest to bridge that gap?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Sustainable Aviation Fuel Bill

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Douglas Lumsden

Yes. I want to pick up on the point that the cost of a flight from London to Dubai could increase by 3 to 12 percentage points. That seems a huge range. Is there a reason why it is so big? Also, would the SAF percentage be 1 per cent or 3 per cent? What mixture of SAF and normal jet fuel would give rise to a cost increase of 3 to 12 percentage points?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Sustainable Aviation Fuel Bill

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Douglas Lumsden

Are we talking about giving up some agricultural land that we use for food production and changing it to SAF production?