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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 20 July 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth (Project Willow)

Meeting date: 13 May 2025

Douglas Lumsden

And would hydrogen be the same?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth (Project Willow)

Meeting date: 13 May 2025

Douglas Lumsden

Everything that we have spoken about today seems achievable, but the problem is how we make the economics of some of these things stack up. For example, SAF has been mentioned. How will the cost of SAF compare with what we pay just now? I cannot remember whether it was Jan Rosenow or Mark Symes who spoke about SAF. Maybe we can go to Mark first.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth (Project Willow)

Meeting date: 13 May 2025

Douglas Lumsden

Which is basically a subsidy, really?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth (Project Willow)

Meeting date: 13 May 2025

Douglas Lumsden

This is where I get confused. If I was a wind farm operator, for example, I would get a CFD at £155 per megawatt hour, but the wholesale price is low, so—

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth (Project Willow)

Meeting date: 13 May 2025

Douglas Lumsden

Okay. Does anybody else want to come in on that?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth (Project Willow)

Meeting date: 13 May 2025

Douglas Lumsden

Can that be done with the pipelines as they stand, or does it involve a pipe-in-pipe system?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth (Project Willow)

Meeting date: 13 May 2025

Douglas Lumsden

I want to go back to the issue of repurposing gas pipelines. How easy is it to repurpose gas pipelines? Do we have the capacity? Is there a spare connection between Kintore and Grangemouth, for example?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth (Project Willow)

Meeting date: 13 May 2025

Douglas Lumsden

I am looking at the project willow report, which has the capital expenditure cost of e-methanol and methanol to jet at £1.7 billion to £2.1 billion, and a capex cost of £2 billion to £2.5 billion for the e-ammonia plant. I guess that that would have to be factored into the price, because we do not want to be building something here that is not going to be price competitive going forward.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth (Project Willow)

Meeting date: 13 May 2025

Douglas Lumsden

We also want the price to come down.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth (Project Willow)

Meeting date: 13 May 2025

Douglas Lumsden

How big a difference would zonal pricing make to the cost of hydrogen production in Scotland?