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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 9 September 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Finances 2023-24 (Impact of Cost of Living and Public Service Reform)

Meeting date: 20 September 2022

Douglas Lumsden

I will move on, because I know that we are short of time. The COSLA submission talks about the gap in funding that there will be in the next five years and about it being equivalent to having 20,000 fewer local government jobs. Do you think that that is the reality that we will face in five years’ time? Will there be 20,000 fewer local government jobs?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Finances 2023-24 (Impact of Cost of Living and Public Service Reform)

Meeting date: 20 September 2022

Douglas Lumsden

Is local government still looking at having 20,000 fewer jobs in the next five years?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Finances 2023-24 (Impact of Cost of Living and Public Service Reform)

Meeting date: 20 September 2022

Douglas Lumsden

To go back to the point about early intervention, how do we better get the message across to the Government that more money being spent on local government will give savings later? Is there any way at all of quantifying that?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Finances 2023-24 (Impact of Cost of Living and Public Service Reform)

Meeting date: 20 September 2022

Douglas Lumsden

When we see a reconciliation of £817 million, we would think that something is going wrong somewhere.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Finances 2023-24 (Impact of Cost of Living and Public Service Reform)

Meeting date: 20 September 2022

Douglas Lumsden

Thank you.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Finances 2023-24 (Impact of Cost of Living and Public Service Reform)

Meeting date: 20 September 2022

Douglas Lumsden

Stephen Boyle, you said in your submission:

“structural reform in the public sector can take time to achieve and generate short-term costs.”

The Government is looking at the public sector pay bill, with a desire to keep it at a constant level. Do you see any urgency on the part of the Scottish Government to bring forward proposals? The longer the Government leaves it, the more cuts it will have to make, I imagine. Have there been discussions with the Government about when proposals will come forward?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Publications)

Meeting date: 6 September 2022

Douglas Lumsden

I have another question. There is a huge difference between the population in Scotland and that in the rest of the UK. Has there always been a big difference historically, or is that a new thing that has been coming through in the past few years?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Publications)

Meeting date: 6 September 2022

Douglas Lumsden

I go back to the projection of a 16 per cent fall in Scotland’s population compared with a fall of only 2 per cent in the rest of the UK—I think that that is what you said, Professor Roy. You also mentioned the analysis that you have done on how that could impact the economy, but I guess that that is done based on the powers we have at present. The committee is considering additional taxes, powers and devolved finance—as Ross Greer mentioned. Has any analysis been done that could inform the committee, as it considers those additional powers, on what that demographic change will mean to the Scottish economy in future?

In the past, we have discussed how things such as air passenger duty, fuel duty, VAT and—potentially—pensions could be devolved. I imagine that there would be a huge impact on the Scottish economy if there were a demographic change that meant that our working population was much smaller and we had a larger number of elderly people. Do you know of any data that could help us as we make decisions?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Publications)

Meeting date: 6 September 2022

Douglas Lumsden

You mentioned the issue of when people retire. Is there a big difference in that between Scotland and the rest of the UK?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Fiscal Commission (Publications)

Meeting date: 6 September 2022

Douglas Lumsden

I guess that the Government needs to come forward with policies to encourage participation and increase the rate.