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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 9 September 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Finances 2023-24 (Impact of Cost of Living and Public Service Reform)

Meeting date: 20 September 2022

Douglas Lumsden

Kirsty Flanagan, do you have anything to add?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Finances 2023-24 (Impact of Cost of Living and Public Service Reform)

Meeting date: 20 September 2022

Douglas Lumsden

Kirsty Flanagan, you spoke about early intervention and prevention. I completely agree that more money being spent at a local level probably means less money being spent, eventually, on health and justice, for example. How can you better make the case to the Scottish Government? How do you quantify what you can save later for the health or the justice budget?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Finances 2023-24 (Impact of Cost of Living and Public Service Reform)

Meeting date: 20 September 2022

Douglas Lumsden

Based on that, I assume that, unless there is quick digitalisation to replace people, there will be an impact on the services that local government provides.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Finances 2023-24 (Impact of Cost of Living and Public Service Reform)

Meeting date: 20 September 2022

Douglas Lumsden

The examples that the Government gave about how you could reform were: digitalisation, maximisation of revenue through public sector innovation, reform of the public sector estate, reform of the public body landscape and improving public procurement. Have you not already been doing those things for the past five years?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Finances 2023-24 (Impact of Cost of Living and Public Service Reform)

Meeting date: 20 September 2022

Douglas Lumsden

Are you saying that, even just to meet the pay settlement that was agreed this year, savings have to be made elsewhere?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Finances 2023-24 (Impact of Cost of Living and Public Service Reform)

Meeting date: 20 September 2022

Douglas Lumsden

That is because it was not fully funded by the Scottish Government, I guess.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Finances 2023-24 (Impact of Cost of Living and Public Service Reform)

Meeting date: 20 September 2022

Douglas Lumsden

As does the impact of change on services and people.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Finances 2023-24 (Impact of Cost of Living and Public Service Reform)

Meeting date: 20 September 2022

Douglas Lumsden

Maybe some of that work has not been done yet, but, as you say, it will have to be done before any programme is embarked on.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Finances 2023-24 (Impact of Cost of Living and Public Service Reform)

Meeting date: 20 September 2022

Douglas Lumsden

When I was a councillor, I went along to the COSLA leaders’ meetings. When the tourist tax was discussed, it was always spoken about as something that would be optional for each local authority. Additionality was another key issue. Have we now moved to a place where councils are looking at things such as the tourist tax and the parking tax not as additional sources of income, but to plug the gaps that they have?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Public Finances 2023-24 (Impact of Cost of Living and Public Service Reform)

Meeting date: 20 September 2022

Douglas Lumsden

Are COSLA members looking at the tourist tax as a way to increase spend on tourism or marketing, for example, or are they now looking at it to plug the gaps that they have?