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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 20 July 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth (Project Willow)

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Douglas Lumsden

I want to pick up on something that we asked about last week. You have said that most of our ammonia is now imported, but we heard last week that the price of e-ammonia would be a lot more expensive than importing ammonia, so how would we force somebody to pay a higher price for e-ammonia instead? I know that we should be getting the price down, but that will not happen initially.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth (Project Willow)

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Douglas Lumsden

Lewis, did you want to come back in?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth (Project Willow)

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Douglas Lumsden

Do we have any of those?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth (Project Willow)

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Douglas Lumsden

In the meantime, is your work continuing? Are you still progressing the project as much as you possibly can?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth (Project Willow)

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Douglas Lumsden

I think that all nine potential project willow projects are doable, but are they commercially feasible, especially the ones that involve production of sustainable aviation fuel or shipping fuels, for example? Do you see a way of making those projects commercially feasible, given the high capital costs that would be involved?

Bill Ireland has looked at me, so I will come to him.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth (Project Willow)

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Douglas Lumsden

Is Mark Ruskell going to come in at this point?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth (Project Willow)

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Douglas Lumsden

The cost of power is up. For example, floating offshore wind, which we probably have an abundance of, costs about £155 per megawatt hour. How are we ever going to be price competitive when the cost of it is still so high?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth (Project Willow)

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Douglas Lumsden

Do we need that storage plan in place before we move on with many of the other things?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth (Project Willow)

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Douglas Lumsden

Okay. That would be helpful.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth (Project Willow)

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Douglas Lumsden

Okay. Looking at the cost of green hydrogen, a climate change report that was written on behalf of the Scottish Government says:

“It is more costly to produce hydrogen in Scotland as compared to all other case study countries. This is because the cost of offshore wind generated power in Scotland is higher than the other low carbon power technologies used.”

The lowest cost was in France, where nuclear power was being used to produce hydrogen.

It goes back to the point that Mark Ruskell raised. How do we become competitive when we are looking at things like e-methanol and SAF as well? How do we become competitive when the cost to us of producing hydrogen is so high?