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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 11 September 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Financial Memorandum

Meeting date: 9 May 2023

Douglas Lumsden

I will return to something that John Mason asked about, which was the lower and upper estimates of the cost of ending the keeping of under-18s in young offenders institutions. The lower cost estimate is £5.41 million and the upper cost estimate is also £5.41 million. It seems unusual that there is no difference between those two figures. Can you explain that? Is the figure completely fixed?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Effective Scottish Government Decision Making

Meeting date: 2 May 2023

Douglas Lumsden

Your submission also speaks about potentially being funded through the Scottish Government and local government, and it not being clear where the overlaps are, which is not an efficient way for the Government to spend its money.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Effective Scottish Government Decision Making

Meeting date: 2 May 2023

Douglas Lumsden

On the point about consultation, you said in your submission:

“RTPI Scotland would advocate for consultations to include draft delivery programmes as a matter of course.”

Do you not feel that the Government would be criticised for predetermining the outcome of consultations, if that was in there?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Effective Scottish Government Decision Making

Meeting date: 2 May 2023

Douglas Lumsden

Are organisations trying to align with the NPF, or is it seen as something that is for the Government to deal with?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Effective Scottish Government Decision Making

Meeting date: 2 May 2023

Douglas Lumsden

My final point is on financial transparency. Rachel Le Noan, in your written submission, you spoke about a budget line being reduced by £800,000 and said that

“the impact of the budget reduction was unclear.”

How can the process be improved so that we can follow the money more easily?

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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Effective Scottish Government Decision Making

Meeting date: 2 May 2023

Douglas Lumsden

Yes. It is on the fear of losing funding.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Effective Scottish Government Decision Making

Meeting date: 2 May 2023

Douglas Lumsden

No, I want to dig a bit deeper. Organisations said that they feared that their funding would be removed if they were critical of the Government. Are there any examples of that? If that really is the case, I guess that there is an issue with trusting whether consultation responses are as honest as they can be. I am trying to think about how we can get that trust back.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Effective Scottish Government Decision Making

Meeting date: 2 May 2023

Douglas Lumsden

My next question is about the NPF—the national performance framework, as opposed to the national planning framework—which I believe should be at the heart of all decision making. Is that how you see it? In your organisations, do you refer to the national performance framework at all times when you put in submissions to the Government, to remind it how it should be focused on the outcomes of the NPF?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Effective Scottish Government Decision Making

Meeting date: 2 May 2023

Douglas Lumsden

Would others like to see the same thing—a delivery plan as part of the consultation?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Effective Scottish Government Decision Making

Meeting date: 25 April 2023

Douglas Lumsden

Is the issue that Government is focused on short-term goals as opposed to looking at the longer term? It could be 10 or 15 years before today’s children start moving into the industrial workforce.