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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 28 August 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Governance

Meeting date: 5 March 2024

Douglas Lumsden

So the target that has been set just now is a headline one.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Governance

Meeting date: 5 March 2024

Douglas Lumsden

Okay—that is helpful.

My next question is on the memorandum of understanding that you signed last April with the UK Climate Change Committee, which is up for review fairly soon. I want to get an idea of how that MOU is working, and what future changes to it you might be considering.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Governance

Meeting date: 5 March 2024

Douglas Lumsden

I guess that you would avoid that duplication by having good dialogue with the Climate Change Committee.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Environmental Governance

Meeting date: 5 March 2024

Douglas Lumsden

Absolutely.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 5 March 2024

Douglas Lumsden

How does that work?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 5 March 2024

Douglas Lumsden

Some operators will increase their fares and others will not, yet the reimbursement rate is the same for everyone, so I am confused by that comment.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 5 March 2024

Douglas Lumsden

My main concern is the unintended consequences. A lot of my constituents tell me that bus fares are increasing considerably. Is that happening because operators are trying to maintain the level of funding that they are getting, so if the reimbursement rate is going down, they need to have a different tool to ensure that the funding stays the same? As you said, they are to be left no better or worse off.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 5 March 2024

Douglas Lumsden

Can I just finish this point?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 5 March 2024

Douglas Lumsden

Obviously, the reimbursement rate is going down, so a way for operators to maintain the money that they are getting from the capped funding is to increase the fares. Will that not disincentivise people who are paying to use public transport, because their fares are increasing by so much?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 5 March 2024

Douglas Lumsden

Minister, I thought that you said that the patronage had gone down. That is why I am slightly confused.