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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 18 July 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

MV Glen Sannox (Hull 801) and MV Glen Rosa (Hull 802)

Meeting date: 24 October 2023

Douglas Lumsden

The dual-fuel aspect has added a lot of complexity to the project. However, one of the unsuccessful bidders on 801 and 802 has since delivered four dual-fuel vessels of roughly similar size for a lot less money. Have you learned anything from that company? Are you in communication with it? How was it able to deliver dual-fuel capability when you have not been able to?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

MV Glen Sannox (Hull 801) and MV Glen Rosa (Hull 802)

Meeting date: 24 October 2023

Douglas Lumsden

As a committee, we should have been told, in just the same way as the cabinet secretary was told two days before, of the issues that were looming. I think that that would have just been a courtesy to the committee. I will leave it there, convener.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

MV Glen Sannox (Hull 801) and MV Glen Rosa (Hull 802)

Meeting date: 24 October 2023

Douglas Lumsden

So it would have been just after April that you received the rejection of that document and you informed CMAL and Transport Scotland at that time.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

MV Glen Sannox (Hull 801) and MV Glen Rosa (Hull 802)

Meeting date: 24 October 2023

Douglas Lumsden

Could the complexity of the engine management system not potentially cause issues? Are the systems not more complex than what was needed?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

MV Glen Sannox (Hull 801) and MV Glen Rosa (Hull 802)

Meeting date: 24 October 2023

Douglas Lumsden

That £70 million figure is still a lot less than £200 million and £160 million. It seems that, instead of building two vessels, we have built a gravy train. That is a huge amount of money. What has happened to that extra £220 million? Has it all gone to contractors? Has it gone on things such as the installation of the wrong equipment, which has had to be taken out and scrapped? Where has that money gone?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

MV Glen Sannox (Hull 801) and MV Glen Rosa (Hull 802)

Meeting date: 24 October 2023

Douglas Lumsden

However, if you were building the ferries again, the cost would be a lot less, as you said earlier.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

MV Glen Sannox (Hull 801) and MV Glen Rosa (Hull 802)

Meeting date: 24 October 2023

Douglas Lumsden

I come back to the point that you made at the start—you said that these two ferries are more complex than a type 26 frigate. That sounds incredible. How on earth did we get into that situation?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

MV Glen Sannox (Hull 801) and MV Glen Rosa (Hull 802)

Meeting date: 24 October 2023

Douglas Lumsden

Will the vessels ever run on LNG? Initially, they will not, will they?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

MV Glen Sannox (Hull 801) and MV Glen Rosa (Hull 802)

Meeting date: 24 October 2023

Douglas Lumsden

I want to get clarity on one point. Mr Tydeman, you spoke about the costs of the vessels being £200 million and £160 million. Does that include the pre-nationalisation costs and other costs, such as the loan to the yard that you mentioned? Are those figures the costs for everything that the Government has paid towards Ferguson’s and for the two vessels?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

MV Glen Sannox (Hull 801) and MV Glen Rosa (Hull 802)

Meeting date: 24 October 2023

Douglas Lumsden

However, the cabinet secretary was given clear information that additional escapes on the upper deck area had to be installed. Surely if he was told two days earlier, we should have been told in the update on 30 June.