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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 14 November 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Building Safety Levy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Michael Marra

In the submissions and the evidence that we have received so far, the polluter-pays principle has been highlighted, but it strikes me from what you have said today and from reading the bill that many people who are not polluters will be asked to pay, too. Is that correct?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Building Safety Levy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Michael Marra

In essence, house builders are meeting a public need and providing a public good, and are building good houses for people to live good lives in, but they are being called polluters. I understand that parts of the sector have done bad things—if we want to use Mr Mason’s terms—and I can understand why some of that language is used, but some companies must find such a description a little bit difficult to wear.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Michael Marra

Housing completion rates are among the lowest in recorded history, and there is a reasonably cool commercial property market at the moment. Does that give you concern, minister? I understand what you are saying about it being a relatively small percentage against the overall figure, but, looking at trajectory and trend, do you have any comments on what you are seeing in the marketplace?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Michael Marra

Under the next agenda item we will be looking at a tax on construction.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Building Safety Levy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Michael Marra

That is interesting. Mr Hoy touched on the issue of LBTT receipts, so I will not go there.

We are eight years on from Grenfell. In quarter 2 of 2025, only three single-building assessments were completed in Scotland. Meanwhile, in England, remediation was either started or completed for 2,490 buildings. In your view, is the limiting factor in Scotland the availability of money to do the work?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Michael Marra

It is fair to say that very little of that is visible in the briefing. I realise that these are budget revisions and that we would not necessarily expect to see the information laid out as a mission-led piece of work, but when we match it up to your programme of reform, we will have to reflect on whether we are seeing the output.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Building Safety Levy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Michael Marra

I appreciate that.

You have talked about the marginal viability of sites. I understand that this might be difficult, in the absence of rates being set, but have you managed to do any modelling in respect of the number of homes that you think might be impacted by the levy?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Building Safety Levy (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Michael Marra

The construction cost for building a three-bedroom house is roughly £270,000—I have managed to get that from the internet, and I do not know how common that would be across different builders and so on, but let us take it as a benchmark. The Government also pays to build houses—it pays local government to do so, for example. If the Government paid £30 million for building on one side of the ledger, that would cover about 110 houses across Scotland. It would seem to me a bit perverse if we were to find ourselves in a position where that number was offset by potentially stopping the building of 110,000 homes. In the absence of modelling from the sector, I find it difficult to measure that trade-off.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Michael Marra

That is not an answer to the question; that is a description of the policy.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 11 November 2025

Michael Marra

I look forward to that.

Looking at the trend in the numbers, do you feel comfortable that the marketplace can take additional taxation weight?