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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 5 December 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 25 November 2025

Michael Marra

John Sturrock KC told the committee that

“the conduct of public inquiries and the possibility that costs are out of control is another example of a more fundamental problem in Scotland—namely that our approach to decision making, complex issues, negotiation and addressing tough issues is suboptimal.”—[Official Report, Finance and Public Administration Committee, 17 June 2025; c 32.]

Would you care to reflect on that assessment of the Government’s approach?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 25 November 2025

Michael Marra

Sorry—those were your words.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 25 November 2025

Michael Marra

We should not have two different judges, across a period of years, learning how to book rooms and what IT systems to put in, should we? That is ridiculous.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 25 November 2025

Michael Marra

That tells its own story.

As the convener mentioned, we heard in evidence that judges should not necessarily be involved in bricks-and-mortar inquiries, as they are described, and you gave some indication that you think that the chair certainly does not have to be a judge. However, the people whom the Scottish Government appoints are judges. At what point is the Scottish Government going to say, when an inquiry comes forward, “Actually, a specialist in this area or somebody with specific or generalist knowledge is more appropriate than a judge to deal with this issue”? The proof will be in whether the Government does that.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 25 November 2025

Michael Marra

I hear a lot of useful context there, and I hear your points, minister. However, you said that it does not need to be a judge and you could appoint someone else, but you do not do that. You come to the same position, which is that there is going to be a judge-led public inquiry.

You said that if you took a different approach, you would not want criticism of that from the Labour Party, the Conservative Party or other people. Is there a weakness in your confidence in your own arguments as to why you might not take such an approach? Are you worried about what I, or Liz Smith or Craig Hoy, or somebody else, might say, rather than saying, “This is the right approach to get the job done and come to the right answers”? Running right through that is the question of leadership.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 25 November 2025

Michael Marra

Ministers are making the decisions about when to hold up the mirror—when to bow to the pressure. Other members have set out examples of public pressure in cases where they feel that the Government or institutions in Scottish society more broadly have not given them the answers that they require. How do you account for the recent uptick in the number of inquiries? Other members have spoken about whether that is about the Government, but, if it is not about the Government’s actions—you said that you do not believe that it is—why is it?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 25 November 2025

Michael Marra

Okay. That is a reasonable argument.

To take the point about issues being kicked into the long grass a step further, you said that you do not think that it would be appropriate to get into the details of the Eljamel inquiry, but you are not the sponsor of that inquiry. Is there not a risk that these inquiries shut down the Government’s ability to deal with some of the substantive issues? On the conduct of the Government, the First Minister said on the record recently that he cannot comment on civil court cases, which is simply untrue—it is completely untrue. There must be a sense that the Government has candour and the ability to talk about issues that are of interest to the public, rather than putting them into a semi-private domain.

10:30  

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 25 November 2025

Michael Marra

I am interested in the issue of sponsorship—where a minister is a sponsor of a particular inquiry. As a committee, we might reflect on how useful that is. Would it be better if Parliament, rather than ministers, sponsored an inquiry and had a central committee that took decisions about monitoring its activity?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 25 November 2025

Michael Marra

My point is that we are five years on from what happened, and it might happen again next month. It is about how quickly we can get the answers and learn the lessons that are required.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 25 November 2025

Michael Marra

Do you think that there is a case for having a central office with centralised experience and standard operating procedures to provide the secretariat and back-room capability for each inquiry, in order to bear down on costs?