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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 30 April 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Michael Marra

It is quite a strange interaction, is it not? In essence, you are modelling the policies beneath the metapolicy, but you are unable to comment on the top level, from which all the consequences flow through.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Michael Marra

Did you look at just that one scenario rather than at multiple scenarios or potential other rules? There were—

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Michael Marra

We have asked, but we got a kind of blancmange of a non-answer: “We are talking about what we might do about such and such around this.”

Is it not the case that the review will get pushed back until after the next election, when we will have a variation on this conversation? I think that you are being slightly generous in saying that external factors led to the cancellation of the resource spending review. It happened because there was chaos within the Government: we lost one First Minister due to horrific performance and got another one who decided to ditch the resource spending review. This committee asked the permanent secretary about the status of the resource spending review, but he had not been told, did not know and bemoaned that fact months later. It is just a mess in policy-making terms. The issue is not just about externality; it is about putting politics first, is it not?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Michael Marra

But the Government’s decision not to publish clearly devalues it, too, does it not?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Michael Marra

Surely, the means by which we, as a country, deal with the volatile external environment involves having a stronger north star direction and looking to find variations to help us to cope with that. Do you have any ideas for how we might strengthen the long-term process?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Michael Marra

It has become not even annual. In the past three years, we have had emergency in-year budget statements halfway through the year, or less than halfway through the year, when the budget has had to be reset.

I am struck by the evidence that you have both presented that, despite the external environment—including the OBR, which we have just heard from, and the SFC—producing more material about the long term and long-term trajectories, the Scottish Government’s process is becoming increasingly short term. It is month to month or week to week, rather than decade to decade. Is that a fair critique, based on the evidence that you have given us?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Michael Marra

That is a private conversation with the Government. Okay. That is useful.

The stated policy of the Scottish Government at the moment is to pursue full fiscal autonomy. Has the Scottish Government had any conversations with the OBR as to what the process would look like?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Michael Marra

My last question is about the spending review that is on-going across the UK. The departmental budgets have been laid out in the UK Government’s budget, and those departments are now being asked to decide policy priorities within that funding. Is there any reason why the Scottish Government should not be conducting a spending review along the same lines now?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Michael Marra

When it comes to those kinds of events and externalities, even if we set aside certain things about which the Government cannot decide what it wants to do—indeed, which it seems unable to make a decision about—it could at least, with regard to the core assumptions, underlying need and so on, set out the agenda for what is required, given the country’s demographic shape, the likely tax base and where we are headed. Given that there are always going to be events, elections and so on, we might just never publish the document.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 22 April 2025

Michael Marra

I will start where you finished, convener. A senior civil servant described to me how they spend approximately 60 per cent of their time fighting for the budget that was set in the previous December and the other 40 per cent answering freedom of information requests. That 60 per cent is an opportunity cost of not having long-term security about budgets, is it not?